Sean Smith CB Utah - Is there a thread about him yet?

[mayoclinic]

Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

But what about Louis Delmas in round 1 with Clint Sintim and Connor Barwin in round 2 and Burnett in round 3?

I don't see Louis Delmas as a 1st round talent right now. I think Sean Smith has a much higher ceiling. I like Delmas, and think he'd be a fine 2nd round pick, though Delmas and Meriweather seem a little light as our 2 safeties.

Burnett's a fine player and a good fit for the Pats, but do you really see him being a 3rd round prospect right now? I would have thought more like 4th-5th, but please educate me.

[Box_O_Rocks]

Originally Posted by mayoclinic

I don't see Louis Delmas as a 1st round talent right now. I think Sean Smith has a much higher ceiling. I like Delmas, and think he'd be a fine 2nd round pick, though Delmas and Meriweather seem a little light as our 2 safeties.

Burnett's a fine player and a good fit for the Pats, but do you really see him being a 3rd round prospect right now? I would have thought more like 4th-5th, but please educate me.

I haven't seen him play yet, a number of our Burnett fans here have been talking 3rd round or sooner. I'll hopefully know more after the game tomorrow.

[VJCPatriot]

Originally Posted by DaBruinz

Yes, the Plexico beat the Patriot down when he was matched up against a 5'9 INJURED CB... The Patriots could have put Samuel on him, but felt they didn't need to..

You're smoking crack if you think that the Pats felt putting a 5'9 corner on a 6'5 wide receiver one on one was a favorable matchup for them. Hobbs was isolated on that play because the Pats were bringing the blitz and the blitz didn't get to the QB in time. Hobbs just physically CANNOT matchup with Plex in the red zone. Result - Touchdown.

The thing about Smith that is interesting besides his height is his flexibility to play either CB or S. His versatility might be appealing to BB.

[AzPatsFan]

BB goes for sure things with his first round picks. He uses the second and third round on "projections".

Sean Smith is a projection for S, as there are no sure thing Safeties now that Mays and Rolle didn't come out. BB will pick the sure thing, whatever that might be, and then maybe either wait for a DB in the second or trade up to get his choice. I suspect that might be Alphonso. Then he will bring in a bunch of vet min FA and spend 3rds ansd 4ths on Safties and DE-->OLBs, so I suspect.

[Seneschal2]

Originally Posted by mayoclinic

Burnett's a fine player and a good fit for the Pats, but do you really see him being a 3rd round prospect right now? I would have thought more like 4th-5th, but please educate me.

NFL Draft Scout currently has him projected for rounds 5-6. I doubt he moves up much further post Combine, as IMO, his 40 time will not be among the fastest. He's currently ranked #22 on their CB list.

Coincidentally, Wilhite was ranked #22 last draft, while Wheatley was ranked #21, and both were also projected for rounds 5-6. As we know, Wilhite went in round 4, and Wheatley was the 8th CB selected overall in round 2. After the Pats selected Terrence, some said he was a reach due to his projection, but obviously the Pats thought highly of him. Same will hold true for any prospect. If the Pats want a player who fits their system, and don't want to risk losing him, they may select a player earlier than consensus rankings. If they're high on Burnett, I think he falls into that category of drafting him earlier (Round 3?). Rest assured though, he's not the only prospect (or CB) the Pats would reach for, as there are several others who seem like they will fit.

[mayoclinic]

Originally Posted by AzPatsFan

BB goes for sure things with his first round picks. He uses the second and third round on "projections".

Sean Smith is a projection for S, as there are no sure thing Safeties now that Mays and Rolle didn't come out. BB will pick the sure thing, whatever that might be, and then maybe either wait for a DB in the second or trade up to get his choice. I suspect that might be Alphonso. Then he will bring in a bunch of vet min FA and spend 3rds ansd 4ths on Safties and DE-->OLBs, so I suspect.

There are no "sure things", even though we've had a very good success record with high picks. Chad Jackson's a good example of that. Certainly Myron Rolle isn't a sure thing at safety.

DeAngelo Williams was more of a "sure thing" at RB than Maroney, but we took the younger player with the higher upside. Maybe that was the wrong choice, but the Pats have been willing to gamble on players with upside before in the 1st round. Ben Watson is another case in point.

[DaBruinz]

Originally Posted by VJCPatriot

You're smoking crack if you think that the Pats felt putting a 5'9 corner on a 6'5 wide receiver one on one was a favorable matchup for them. Hobbs was isolated on that play because the Pats were bringing the blitz and the blitz didn't get to the QB in time. Hobbs just physically CANNOT matchup with Plex in the red zone. Result - Touchdown.

The thing about Smith that is interesting besides his height is his flexibility to play either CB or S. His versatility might be appealing to BB.

What had Plexico done in the game prior to that TD? OH, yeah. 1 catch for 14 yards. And, if the Pats didn't feel it was a favorable match-up, why didn't they put Samuel on him? But, you like to ignore things like that and you like to ignore that Hobbs was playing with a bumm shoulder AND sports hernia.

Hobbs was isolated on the play because the safety on that side didn't move over like he was supposed to. But Its not like hobbs could do much with his nagging injuries either.

Don't forget that it was Samuel who was beat twice by David Tyree. One for a TD and one for the amazing reception that Harrison couldn't swat away at the end.

[billdog3484]

Originally Posted by DaBruinz

What had Plexico done in the game prior to that TD? OH, yeah. 1 catch for 14 yards. And, if the Pats didn't feel it was a favorable match-up, why didn't they put Samuiel on him? But, you like to ignore things like that and you like to ignore that Hobbs was playing with a bumm shoulder AND sports hernia.

Hobbs was isolated on the play because the safety on that side didn't move over like he was supposed to. But Its not like hobbs could do much with his nagging injuries either.

Don't forget that it was Samuel who was beat twice by David Tyree. One for a TD and one for the amazing reception that Harrison couldn't swat away at the end.

i think plax 1 on 1 with anyone is a bad matchup. i was actually talking about that play yesterday. too many people blame hobbs, which is very unfair. deion wouldve gotten smoked on that one. it was all out blitz the giants picked it up and we lost. what can ya do

[Deus Irae]

Originally Posted by billdog3484

i think plax 1 on 1 with anyone is a bad matchup. i was actually talking about that play yesterday. too many people blame hobbs, which is very unfair. deion wouldve gotten smoked on that one. it was all out blitz the giants picked it up and we lost. what can ya do

I forget which it was (I think it was Colvin, but I'm not sure), but one of the Patriots players broke down the play on the radio. It was an all-out blitz, and it had been successful all during the playoffs. The idea was to force Manning to throw it immediately, and the only good throw at that point would have been the slant because Manning wouldn't have enough time to set up for a fade pass. Hobbs, therefore, played for the slant, but the blitz didn't get there. The problem wasn't with Hobbs, and it wasn't with the safety. The problem was that the entire blitz got picked up, whereas the safety had been getting free hits on the quarterback every other time they'd been using it that season.

Plays like this are why I so often tell people who are complaining about cornerback play that they don't know what the hell they are talking about when dealing with the Patriot's system. Yes, sometimes it's obvious where a breakdown happened. Probably just as often, however, you need to know the play called and have the game film to be certain. New England just doesn't run straight man often enough for the 'layman' to make the correct analysis with just some cursory looks.

[VJCPatriot]

Originally Posted by DaBruinz

What had Plexico done in the game prior to that TD? OH, yeah. 1 catch for 14 yards. And, if the Pats didn't feel it was a favorable match-up, why didn't they put Samuiel on him? But, you like to ignore things like that and you like to ignore that Hobbs was playing with a bumm shoulder AND sports hernia.

And you choose to ignore the fact that Hobbs couldn't stop Burress 1 on 1 in the redzone even if he were 100% healthy. Stop trying to use injury as an excuse. Football players have to play through their injuries all the time. It's part of their job description. Unless your're LT and don't even get me started about him.

I didn't say that Samuel would have definitely stopped Burress either. I'm just stating facts that Hobbs PHYSICALLY was overmatched by Burress. Result was a TD. Hobbs 1 on 1 against a 6'5 receiver is just NOT a good matchup.

The defensive call was a bad one because it left a guy in a bad iso matchup at a crucial point in the game. Sure if Hobbs had safety help over the top, that play might never have happened. But he didn't, and he got burned because he was given a job he couldn't handle alone. I really haven't stated anything but facts here and the only reason you're getting irrate is that you can't stand anyone saying even one slightly NEGATIVE thing about a Patriots player, no matter how true it is. Well get over it!