BritPat

Hadn't though about the size/weight issues for the O-lineman. Cheers for the heads up on that.

Just a though then, the one true O-line binky I have is Ciron Black - who is 6"5' and 315lbs. I just hope he comes out.

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Box_O_Rocks

I was just dozing in front of the Alabama/LSU game I DVR'd, now I'll have to rewind it and check him out - I was already forming a favorable impression of Alabama's C and left side.

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Ochmed Jones

Pittsburgh has sent scouts to watch Caldwell the center from Alabama. They seem to really like him.

KillEM

OLB is the most important in this draft. Orakpo, Everette Brown, George Selvie... We must get one of those 3. True change of game sack artists who can dominate. Look at the Chargers D with Merriman, and compare it to how it is without Merriman.

As OLB in the 34, I like Selvie the most out of the 3. He has a thinner build and slim waist a la Rosevelt Colvin. Everette Brown looks really good too. Orakpo might be more of a DE than OLB. Selvie and Brown are both playing in Florida and you know how BB always scouts Florida players. We might have to trade up to get one of them, but it would be worth it if the pick pans out.


SS and CB should be addressed some where on day 1. There's a lot of depth at Safety this year. ILB is not a huge concern but some depth and bulk is needed. Where is Jasper Brinkley projected these days? His combine will probably say alot about his draft status. If he's around in rd4, I'd take a good look at him. Guyton will get pushed around on run plays.

There's some nice value at RB. Someone like a Shon Greene or James Davis in the 2-4rd range could potentially start for the team. The Maroney-Morris combo has failed two seasons in a row now. We need someone reliable.


Leave the TE, OT, DE, OG picks for next year unless there's a good value pick.

DaBruinz

Orakpo - Never played in the 3-4.
Selvie - Selvie played this season at 235lbs... Not the listed 252. So he's undersized for a Patriots LB
Brown - Again, never played in the 3-4

What you don't seem to understand is that the Patriots 3-4 requires a LOT more from their OLBs than just rushing the passer. For you to expect any of them to come in and play something other than as a situational pass rusher is pretty noteworthy.

Sorry, but we've heard for how many years that LB was the most important position for the Patriots to draft? Yet, they've done so ONCE in BB's 9 drafts.

Are you basing this off of Selvie weighing 235 or 252? And how is Selvie's ankle? You know. The one that has been an issue all year?


Do you understand that Day 1 is only 2 rounds now? Also, there isn't that much depth at safety. We went over this before. And I showed you a site that you, yourself, use and it showed where all these prospects of yours were ranked.. Most of them were later in the draft.

The Maroney-Morris combination was fantastic when the O-line and the 2 RBs were all healthy. That wasn't the case this season. The O-line's consistency to start the year was horrendous. To expect either of them to do well was a joke.

The Patriots NEED an OG to replace Neal. They also need a back-up C/G who can longsnap to replace hochstein.

If there is one thing that Belichick has shown is that he values the LINES more than the other positions. If a DE or OT tackle is there, I would expect the Patriots to look in that direction before they look at OLB. Particularly with the number of young OLBs the Pats have on the team currently.

OH, and while it may not satisfy you, its clear that BB doesn't agree with you at this point in time.

As for Jaspar Brinkley, he's rating out as a 7th rounder currently. He's more likely to be a Ted Johnson Run stuffer than anything else.

KillEM

So...?

Tons of 3-4 OLBs never played in the 3-4 in College. Most (if not all) of the best 34OLBS were DE's in college.

LOL@you arguing for the sake of arguing. Like a bored lonely housewife who needs attention. You are the most worthless poster on this site.

Find a hobby. You are obviously just bored and need some one to talk to. Get a therapist.

DaBruinz

Typical of someone like yourself. A bunch of idiot nonsense that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Instead of dealing with the points presented, you act like a total jackass.

You claim that Selvie reminds you of Colvin, yet Colvin was playing at over 260 in college and Selvie's best year he was at 235 (He played there last year also). Selvie's got a bum ankle. One he's insisted on playing on instead of letting it heal properly.

As for Orakpo, why don't you read the scouting report on him..
Yet, in your wisdom, you believe he'll come in and be this great 3-4 Pass Rusher immediately.

Same with Selvie and Brown....

While most of the good 3-4 OLBs were DEs in college, more often than not, they took at least a year to develop. Thomas took 3, Woodley took 2, Vrabel had 4 years as a DE in the Steelers system before coming to the Pats. McGinest played DE for how many years with the Pats before moving to OLB under BB? Yes, you'll have the exceptions, but that's just it. They are the exceptions, not the rule.

KillEM

Dear Idiot,

-You're original post was saying that those 3 players have never played in a 34.
-I stated the FACT that most 34 OLBs never played 34 in College so your point was wothless.

-Even when a 34 College OLB was suggested as a pick (Clint Sintim), you remembered the time your father touched your private places, so you started a useless argument.
-If you think Pierre Woods, Vince Redd, and Crable are the future OLB's, you are truly dumber than I first thought.
-With that point above, it's obvious that OLB is a need. So why don't you list some players that you think would fit the Pats scheme instead of criticizing others. What makes you think anyone cares about your opinion? You're like an ignorant reporter who's never played a down of football in his life, but still tries to judge others. If all you do is try to be a critic, you will always be taking a step back. Instead of giving your own thoughts on how to IMPROVE the team, you just try to get off on shooting down others opinions. You are counter productive. So until you provide some suggestions on how to improve the team, shut the **** up.

End of discussion.

DaBruinz

Actually, my point wasn't worthless. And you clearly missed it. Here it is again for you:

In other words, no college DE is going to come in and be this magnificent pass rusher that you want. Why? Because the Patriots run a 3-4 2 Gap scheme that most, if not all, college DEs have never been in. That means they are starting from scratch. They have to learn their position, their plays and how the players around them are supposed to act on a given play.

You clearly are expecting a Shawne Merrimen or DeMarcus Ware and your expectations are going to continue to be unmet based on how the Patriots run their defense.

I didn't start a usless argument. I started a very valid debate. Just because you didn't understand it, doesn't mean it was usless. It just means that you don't have anywhere near the knowledge you think you do.

As for Redd, Woods, and Crable, I think that are part of the future of this team. Whether they are back-ups or starters is too early to tell. What I do know is that they have a leg up on anyone coming out of college because they've been in the system and have done well in it. Well, other than Crable who was IRed to start the year.

For someone like yourself to sit there and say, categorically, that none of those 3 will be starters for this team is just pure stupidity. That is like saying that Adalius Thomas wasn't going to be a starter because he was a 6th round pick and only played in 3 games as a rookie.


OLB is a need in your MYOPIC world and only in your MYOPIC world. I have given my own thoughts on MANY occasions. In fact, I gave my thoughts in THIS THREAD. Just because you decided to play stupid and not listen, doesn't mean that they aren't there.

How am I counter-productive by pointing out the flaws in your thinking? By pointing out how your thinking runs contrary to how the Patriots run their team or their defense? That's not being counter-productive. You are being counter-productive by claiming to have an idea of what the Patriots need and whether or not a ROOKIE DE with no 3-4 experience at OLB can bring it.

Instead of being a jackass and making claims that are unfounded, why don't you follow your own advice. I've made PLENTY of suggestions on how to improve this team in the past. Including, but not limited to mocks and positional breakdowns of the team. Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they haven't happened.

D-Money

The slowness at LB has killed this team at times.We have a stud in Jerod Mayo and some other young fast LBs.It seems like most teams like playing their young LBs with the exception of this team.I wanna turn the page and start young back there.I really hope they draft another LB in the first round if a guy like Laurinitis or Rey from USC is there and then go CB or safety.