The 2013 NFL Combine Thread

[ctpatsfan77]

Originally Posted by manxman2601

Well for the Patriots, an OG is likely to be a OT in college. Bakhtiari of Colorado is certainly a possibility because he can play all 5 OL positions (and we've interviewed him) and I wouldn't look far beyond Armstead because of his athleticism. Brian Winters also looks like he might be a fit; has the nasty the Patriots like. Also keep an eye out for good beards

Especially ugly red ones.

[Get it shawtaay]

Originally Posted by Sciz

I like Wagner. Could definitely be a starting RT candidate as a rookie if Vollmer moves on.

Good call. While his athleticism has been called into question, he could be a run blocker of "Wagnerian" proportions.

[Sciz]

Pats tackle a problem | Boston Herald

Colorado’s David Bakhtiari had a formal meeting with the Patriots last night, while Wisconsin’s Ricky Wagner and Syracuse’s Justin Pugh are among the tackles who had earlier interviews with Pats scouts.

Already knew about the first two, but Pugh is new. Like Bakhtiari's connection with Solder, Pugh went to school and presumably practiced head to head quite often with Chandler Jones.

The article also brings up a good point about Bakhtiari's versatility being a big asset if he were to not end up starting, as he could in theory be a better version of McDonald as a four or five position backup.

[ctpatsfan77]

Originally Posted by manxman2601

One of my favourites:



https://twitter.com/Ron_Clements/sta...05405399998464

Since 1999, only one OT has had a vert greater than 35" and that was only 35.5". and only two have run in the 4.7's (Bruce Campbell and Joe Staley).

Only one at the Combine, of course:

Originally Posted by NFL.com

Vollmer turned in times of 5.13 and 5.16 seconds in the 40-yard dash and also had a 36 1/2-inch vertical and a 9-foot, 3-inch broad jump.

[manxman2601]

Been having a look at Combine scores and Patriot draft picks (and some Free Agents) to see what correlation there is and whilst this isn't an exhaustive or scientific piece of research, at least for OL and WR's there's a pretty clear combine rquirement.

For OL it's the Vertical Jump which measures lower body explosiveness. The cut off point seems to be 30" - there have been some drafted with a vert of under 30 but ithen only just:

As ctpatsfan77 notes above, Solder had a 36.5 vert at his pro day. In addition:

Logan Mankins (31.5)
Kyle Hix (32)
Nate Solder (32)
Nick Kazcur (31.5)
Marcus Cannon (30.5)
Thomas Welch (29)
Dan Connolly (28.5)
Greg Robinson-Randall (26.0)
Ryan O'Callaghan (25)
Dan Koppen (28.5)

(Can't find anything on Matt Light)


As for Wide Receivers, we all know about the 3-cone. Again it's very noticeable:

Tiquan Underwood (6.62)
Greg Salas (6.65)
Deion Branch (6.71)
Chad Jackson (6.74)
Taylor Price (6.82)
David Givens (6.82)
Jabar Gaffney (6.87)
Anthony Gonzalez (6.65)
Jeremy Ebert (6.7)

So it seems to apply even for some FA's (not Wes Welker interestingly @ 7.09).

This might not be an exhaustive list but I'll be pretty much taking any OL off my board if thet have a Vert lower that 27-28 and any WR's with 3-cone higher than 6.9 (fingers crossed for Markus Wheaton )

Edit: And if we're looking at possible FA WR's this year, you might not want to look too much past Brian Hartline with a 3-cone of 6.65. And I just want to credit the beast that is Julio Jones. 6'3" and he puts up a 6.66 3-cone. wow!

[manxman2601]

Just had a look at CB's. Only three that I can see had a slower 40 time than 4.45: Eugene Wilson (drafted to play safety), Alfonzo Dennard (value) and Asante Samuel. Eugene Wilson and Samuel were the only ones to have a 3-cone slower than 6.85.

Edit: Also look for a 10 yard split of 1.50 or better for CB's.

[chevss454]

Originally Posted by Sciz

Pats tackle a problem | Boston Herald


Already knew about the first two, but Pugh is new. Like Bakhtiari's connection with Solder, Pugh went to school and presumably practiced head to head quite often with Chandler Jones.

The article also brings up a good point about Bakhtiari's versatility being a big asset if he were to not end up starting, as he could in theory be a better version of McDonald as a four or five position backup.

Joeckel and Eric Fisher are on everyone's top 10 list & will be long gone by 29.

Ricky Wagner is built like a T, (6'6", 305, 33.5" arms) & played LT for Wiscy but projects to RT in the NFL. He isn't your typical road grader that Wisconsin is known for sending the NFL. He's a projected 5-6 round choice.

Bakhtiari (RT) & Solder were team mates at Colorado. Bakhtiari is undersized at 6'4", 300lbs. (Bock T' are EE) has a lot riding on his physical measurements at the Combine today. If his arms are short he projects to move inside to G but he'll have to add mass to fight with the huge DTs he'll face. If his arms measure well, he stays at OT. Note: Colorado runs double TE sets which means Bakhtiari almost always had help against edge rushers. He's a projected 2-3 round pick.

Justin Pugh went head to head quite often with Chandler Jones in practice at Syracuse. Pugh lacks ideal arm length for an NFL OT (31.5). Most analysts are projecting him at OG. As a G, he projects to the 3rd round.

One guy I hope the Pats interview is Menelik Watson. Watch for him at the Combine. He's 6'5", 320 lbs and super athletic. He played JUCO ball at Saddlebrook in California along side Kyle Long, Howie's son who transferred there from FSU after getting kicked out for DUI arrests. Many recruiters had Watson rated better than Kyle Long b/c of his outstanding athleticism. Watson transferred to FSU on Long's recommendation & played 1 yr for FSU where he performed very well.

Imo, Scar could make this guy a star in no time. He projects as a 2-3 round pick but many analysts say his upside is the same as top picks Joeckel & Fisher.

[ctpatsfan77]

Originally Posted by manxman2601

As for Wide Receivers, we all know about the 3-cone. Again it's very noticeable:

Tiquan Underwood (6.62)
Greg Salas (6.65)
Deion Branch (6.71)
Chad Jackson (6.74)
Taylor Price (6.82)
David Givens (6.82)
Jabar Gaffney (6.87)
Anthony Gonzalez (6.65)
Jeremy Ebert (6.7)

So it seems to apply even for some FA's (not Wes Welker interestingly @ 7.09).

This might not be an exhaustive list but I'll be pretty much taking any OL off my board if thet have a Vert lower that 27-28 and any WR's with 3-cone higher than 6.9 (fingers crossed for Markus Wheaton )

Edit: And if we're looking at possible FA WR's this year, you might not want to look too much past Brian Hartline with a 3-cone of 6.65. And I just want to credit the beast that is Julio Jones. 6'3" and he puts up a 6.66 3-cone. wow!

You forgot Edelperson's 6.62.

In any case, though, Welker's 3-cone wasn't elite, but his short shuttle time of 4.01 is pretty impressive, and even Madden knows he has elite acceleration.

[Wilfork#75]

Two of my favourite guys:

Justin Hunter 6-foot-4 196 with arms over 33inches
Love his length but will need to bulk up a little bit. Should blow up the drills.

Matt Barkley 6-foot-2 1/2 227lbs.
I think this can officially end the poor measurable argument against him. He is bigger than Geno Smith, Ryan Nassib and Tyler Wilson.

[patsinthesnow]

Ace Sanders 5'7 173 pounds

Get him in the 7th bill!