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On Special Teams, but his development will continue.

Wow, another vote to show TBC the door, the guy can't catch a break with this fan base.

I actually like TBC, and I would love to see him sign for Jarvis Green/Hochstein money. Its very BB like to have 3 OLB, ala Colvin, Vrabel and Willie.

Now Box o Rocks, this is my personal theory concerning Woods. BB wasn't really convinced on the value of a DE project until the 6th round. BB picked the best one on his board at that time, Jeremy Mincey. I think the reason BB didn't pick Woods was because he had an inkling that Woods was going to be a UDFA because of the problems Woods had with his coach. During training camp, there was only one spot for a developmental OLB. Mincey may have been the draft pick, but I think Woods beat him out because Woods was better in space than Mincey.

Thus, my pet theory is that DE projects are a very hard projection in coverage. Its much easier to project a 6'5 250 lb freak OLB in college, but the problem is that there just aren't that many guys that big who play in college. Now assuming for the sake of argument my premise, my academic question I pose to you is, could say Stewart Bradley be a OLB prospect who later down the road have the potentiality of moving in (ala Vrabel)? Bradley intrigues me because he reminds of the versatility of the Warren pick, who was a DE/NT (of course, in training camp he found a home at DE).

For example, you could have say a David Harris for ILB and Bradley for OLB? As opposed to looking to a Jarvis Moss or Anthony Spencer DE/OLB project?
 
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I actually like TBC, and I would love to see him sign for Jarvis Green/Hochstein money. Its very BB like to have 3 OLB, ala Colvin, Vrabel and Willie.

Now Box o Rocks, this is my personal theory concerning Woods. BB wasn't really convinced on the value of a DE project until the 6th round. BB picked the best one on his board at that time, Jeremy Mincey. I think the reason BB didn't pick Woods was because he had an inkling that Woods was going to be a UDFA because of the problems Woods had with his coach. During training camp, there was only one spot for a developmental OLB. Mincey may have been the draft pick, but I think Woods beat him out because Woods was better in space than Mincey.

Thus, my pet theory is that DE projects are a very hard projection in coverage. Its much easier to project a 6'5 250 lb freak OLB in college, but the problem is that there just aren't that many guys that big who play in college. Now assuming for the sake of argument my premise, my academic question I pose to you is, could say Stewart Bradley be a OLB prospect who later down the road have the potentiality of moving in (ala Vrabel)? Bradley intrigues me because he reminds of the versatility of the Warren pick, who was a DE/NT (of course, in training camp he found a home at DE).

For example, you could have say a David Harris for ILB and Bradley for OLB? As opposed to looking to a Jarvis Moss or Anthony Spencer DE/OLB project?
Short answer: I see Bradley as an ILB candidate, I'm not even considering him for OLB. His teammate Jay Moore may be an OLB candidate to consider in the mid-rounds.

Bradley was used as a SLB at Nebraska, he also worked at MLB and DE during his time there. In high school he played some DB. He was injured quite a bit in high school and tore an ACL at NE in 2005. ALK (aka HuskerALK in a former life) expressed concern about his run stopping skills, certainly he needs to work on leverage against blockers based on how easily RB/FB Brian Leonard moved him in the scrimmage I broke down - though Leonard is an excellent blocker.

Bradley looks like he can come in and be a decent third down specialist. He needs to work on his stack and shed skills and his functional strength. He probably needs work on his foot work and his ability to play through trash. He should be a good Special Teams player given his ability to work in space. I've already mentioned that my first analysis shows him playing smart.

Working within the limitation of my own ignorance, I see upside for the Coaches to develop in a player with the size needed for the Pats' 3-4. Where I see Bradley having an advantage over a Spencer or Moses or Moss, they are grading out as 1st or 2nd round talent as 4-3 DEs, and are projections as OLBs. Bradley is a LB with their size, one who has proven himself in coverage. I might justify a round one "reach" based on the fact Bradley "is" a LB and not a projection.

If we go back to the discussion midwest started, Bradley is a sideways move from SLB in a college 4-3 to SILB in the Pats 3-4 on passing downs. Bruschi, Vrabel, and quite likely Seau are mentors. He creates competition for Alexander and Mays, and he is big enough at 6'4" 256 to cross-train at OLB - the reverse to your OLB to ILB approach.

In an ideal world:

The Pats go into 2007 with Bruschi and Seau starting inside, Vrabes and Rosie outside. TBC is part of the OLB rotation, with Woods getting more reps. Alexander and Bradley are part of the rotation at ILB. Mays continues his ILB development on Special Teams with Izzo and Gardner putting the Pats at 11 LBs which harkens back to 2003's depth. You get a Zach DeOssie for the Practice Squad.

The more likely scenerio, BB doesn't draft any LBs and continues developing Alexander, Woods, TBC, and Mays, with maybe one or two Practice Squad prospects. If he does re-sign Seau and TBC and Gardner you wind up at 9 LBs on the roster, plus Izzo.
 
Thus, my pet theory is that DE projects are a very hard projection in coverage. Its much easier to project a 6'5 250 lb freak OLB in college, but the problem is that there just aren't that many guys that big who play in college.

That's one of the interesting things about Woods -- he did play a fair amount of OLB in college. Add in his year of experience in the Pats' system and the fact that he makes space for himself on the game-day roster with his ST play and I wouldn't be surprised to see him take a real step up next season. In fact, here's a prediction: the Pats draft a high-profile DE/OLB project. In his first year he ends up behind a readier but unknown Pierre Woods on the depth chart, leading to premature cries of "bust."
 
Short answer: I see Bradley as an ILB candidate, I'm not even considering him for OLB. His teammate Jay Moore may be an OLB candidate to consider in the mid-rounds.

Bradley was used as a SLB at Nebraska, he also worked at MLB and DE during his time there. In high school he played some DB. He was injured quite a bit in high school and tore an ACL at NE in 2005. ALK (aka HuskerALK in a former life) expressed concern about his run stopping skills, certainly he needs to work on leverage against blockers based on how easily RB/FB Brian Leonard moved him in the scrimmage I broke down - though Leonard is an excellent blocker.

Bradley looks like he can come in and be a decent third down specialist. He needs to work on his stack and shed skills and his functional strength. He probably needs work on his foot work and his ability to play through trash. He should be a good Special Teams player given his ability to work in space. I've already mentioned that my first analysis shows him playing smart.

Working within the limitation of my own ignorance, I see upside for the Coaches to develop in a player with the size needed for the Pats' 3-4. Where I see Bradley having an advantage over a Spencer or Moses or Moss, they are grading out as 1st or 2nd round talent as 4-3 DEs, and are projections as OLBs. Bradley is a LB with their size, one who has proven himself in coverage. I might justify a round one "reach" based on the fact Bradley "is" a LB and not a projection.

If we go back to the discussion midwest started, Bradley is a sideways move from SLB in a college 4-3 to SILB in the Pats 3-4 on passing downs. Bruschi, Vrabel, and quite likely Seau are mentors. He creates competition for Alexander and Mays, and he is big enough at 6'4" 256 to cross-train at OLB - the reverse to your OLB to ILB approach.

In an ideal world:

The Pats go into 2007 with Bruschi and Seau starting inside, Vrabes and Rosie outside. TBC is part of the OLB rotation, with Woods getting more reps. Alexander and Bradley are part of the rotation at ILB. Mays continues his ILB development on Special Teams with Izzo and Gardner putting the Pats at 11 LBs which harkens back to 2003's depth. You get a Zach DeOssie for the Practice Squad.

The more likely scenerio, BB doesn't draft any LBs and continues developing Alexander, Woods, TBC, and Mays, with maybe one or two Practice Squad prospects. If he does re-sign Seau and TBC and Gardner you wind up at 9 LBs on the roster, plus Izzo.

fascinating take BOR.............
 
In an ideal world:

The Pats go into 2007 with Bruschi and Seau starting inside, Vrabes and Rosie outside. TBC is part of the OLB rotation, with Woods getting more reps. Alexander and Bradley are part of the rotation at ILB. Mays continues his ILB development on Special Teams with Izzo and Gardner putting the Pats at 11 LBs which harkens back to 2003's depth. You get a Zach DeOssie for the Practice Squad.

The more likely scenerio, BB doesn't draft any LBs and continues developing Alexander, Woods, TBC, and Mays, with maybe one or two Practice Squad prospects. If he does re-sign Seau and TBC and Gardner you wind up at 9 LBs on the roster, plus Izzo.

If you ask me your first paragraph there is the best thing that could happen to the patriots this year comming, I feel as if with that group we can contend for a super bowl again. I like the way Mays and gardner were comming along even if it was on a very small scale. And you are correct with the TBC on a OLD rotation, seeing even more time on 3rd downs but not starting unless for injury.

I can see the patriots drafting a LB at some point during the draft but realistically it may not be till the latter rounds we really dont know. Ither way with that starting group it gives us one of the better linebacking groups in the NFL for one more year.
 
those are some nice numbers
he was always a guy that had a ton of promise at umich
had a great soph season, then tailed off
i personally think that tbc will be cut loose, and if we dont bring in anybody that pierre woods will be the number three outside linebacker and will get a decent amount of playing time

I don't see why TBC is to be cut loose. He has started what all of 7 games? He is a pass rusher 7 Sacks in 7 games. Merriman, Schobel, Phillips, Taylor kind of numbers. He even plays the run adequately. As all DE-OLBs, his weakness is pass coverage, but he has the speed to get better. H ealso stars on STs. What do you want? A foursome of Colvin TBC, Woods and Vrabel shifting outside is not bad depth. The oldest is a mere youngster at 31. So IMHO the OLB position is young and rebuilt.

ILB is where the problem is. Singular problem but BB will attack it a couple of way so to insure at least one answer.

Bruschi didn't have a great year playing with a cast and changing position. Will he rebound when he has two hands and acclimates to the other ILB position? I think so. Seau was a stopgap who may or may not be back. Vrabel is the Bruschi heir apparent but who plays ILB position Bruschi /Vrabel besides Seau?

Vrabel has the size to be the SILB but didn't have the experience. Seau had the ability but definitely didn't have the experience to play SILB so Bruschi moved to from his normal WILB to SILB.

Fletcher Baker? Nap Harris? Rookies to groom Willis, Posluzny, Harris ? Wth a full TC, I think Vrabes goes to SILB his more natural position, and Tedy returns to WILB.
 
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I agree with most of what has been said.

VRABEL
I think that he is much better outside. If we need more reps for a 3rd OLB, that's fine. I would much better have Seau inside than Vrabel. Vrabel should only go inside if Bruschi is hurt and we need a mike.

INSIDE LINEBACKERS
Personally, I don't see this is as a draft need. It is a draft wish. I have no problem with a Day Two pick. I would be ecstatic with a Day One pick, since that would mean that pioli found that special player; I don't expect it though.

I would be fine with Bruschi, Seau, Alexander, Gardner, Mays and Izzo. This worked very well indeed this year, until Seau went down. If anything, we need an addition veteran, an upgrade of Gardner, but I think Gardner will be fine.

OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS

For our system, Colvin and Vrabel are as good as they come. I expect them to be in place for at least a couple of more years. Banta-Cain and/or Woods are the backups and should get increased reps.

It is here that we have a draft "need". This player has been described. He plays DE in college. If we re-sign Banta-Cain, this is less of a need. I would note that we had this need last year (and for the last three years), and did nothing. Afer all, at the time of the 2006 draft it was clear that we needed Vrabel inside. Is this year's group any better than last year's? I'd take Poz in a heartbeat; would Scotty?
 
Poz is way too small to play 3-4 linebacker, and Bruschi and Seau are near retirement. We don't want to be completely screwed two seasons from now without a solid young replacement here.
 
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