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  1. DarrylS

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    How do you operationalize "classiness or class"?? await with baited breath for definition of this metric..

    BB went to A Timberwolves basketball game, not NBA games all week. What exactly does that prove??

    Have you been listening to Felger?? Bertram?? I those are your sources, suggest you seek some balance before you present your argument..
     

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    That is not my point.

    My point was that we got them into third and favorable often enough to produce stops. They were not sitting at third & 1/2 all day. 8 out of 18 3rd down were longer than 3rd & 6 (10 if you want to set the line at 3rd & 4). Only 2 of those were stopped. That was the game. Nobody is saying they played well on first and second down but at least they put themselves often enough in a situation to stop a drive and yet fell spectacularly short of it almost every time.
     
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    Not sure what you mean by "operationalize" here. BTW it’s "bated", pet peeve.

    All this dubious “matchups” talk while Butler is crying in the anthem isn’t a classy look. And it’s off putting to me that so many posters don’t get it, or even see there's anything to get.

    Looks like I was factually incorrect there. I’ll edit my post.
     
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    It’s insanely coincidental that all 8 games were within one score and that the defense allowed a TD in the final minutes of 6/8 + the terrible comeback loss in the ‘06 AFCCG. Thank God for the Malcolm Butler pick or it would’ve been 7/8. It’s just weird that he suddenly becomes so laid back and never can come up with a dominating gameplan in 8 attempts with Tom Brady at the helm. Had Brady not masked some of these weaknesses, our record would not be 5-3 in these close, one possession games.

    Of course the competition is improved as the postseason continues, but that’s one hell of a pattern for the defensive genius who is clearly the greatest coach of all time.
     
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    The plan described in this piece is pretty much what I figured it must have been just from watching the game and observing the personnel packages. It failed not because it was a bad plan, but because the players - all of them - simply failed to execute consistently enough from the get-go.

    It actually seemed pretty obvious to me.

    And I really don't believe that putting Butler on the field would have magically improved anything whatsoever.

    The offensive plan was also a departure from the regular season norm (not that very many fans noticed), though perhaps not as "radical". It was very similar to the offensive plan in the AFCCG. The ground game was better in the SB than in the AFCCG simply because the players on the field executed more consistently.
     
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    I agree with most what you said. The Butler part we will never know because it didnt happen. People can speculate over this all they want I dont see the point. Whatever happened, happened.. on to 2018
     
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    In 8 SB games the Pats D allowed an average of 20.9 points.

    In 8 SB the offense has scored an ave 20.1 points.

    That is maddening.

    That is why they are 5-3

    Another stop or another TD the record changes.
     
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    @Deus Irae is there any good point to Bedard pointing fingers at M. Flowers and his use in his new article for BSJ ? Don't have a subscription but am curious if this would necessitate another rewatch with focusing on Flowers.
     
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    And if the strip sack hadn’t happened, Brady marches down field to score WIN #6, and game plan validated....
     
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    You must have watched a different game
     
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    We have already ascertained that you don’t know what you are talking about
     
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    I don’t know .... those are valid questions
     
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    He gained over 250 yards and was not stopped ONCE!!!

    Not once.

    3 runs ended one drive.
    A missed FG.
    2 plays that were badly executed ended another.
     
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    The most impressive thing on that list is that he did it during a
    SB 37? o_O
     
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    This is the dumbest explanation of all time. Whoever wrote this should be fired
     
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    Seems to me this strategy might have worked if on 3rd and long they swapped Butler back in?
     
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    Sorry but you play butler. You go with your horses. It's inexcusable. I have no doubts that butler would have done a good job on a guy like agholor.
     
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    How about on just ONE third and long?
     
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    Can't wait for someone to blame BB for this when rushing M. Flowers has MPs hand writing all over it.
     

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