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  1. neuronet

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    This is good:
    The George Awakens - The New Yorker

     
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    Totally agree with your points. All these things (except perhaps for Carrie Fisher) could've been done better with a little extra care.
     
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    I think I clicked "agree" for most of the posts in this thread. Being born in the 70's, I'm basically a Star Wars kid. While I enjoyed the movie for the most part, it so felt like a newer version of the original. I thought it hurt itself with a predicible (seen before) plot, some overacting, some miscast roles, some very questionable character development, and the Mary Sue thing some of talked about. It was "entertaining" if you will, but I was underwhelmed for the most part. Seriously, another death star that they destroy with downed shields and a fighter? I've seen worse, and it's wasn't bad, but it could have been better.
     
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    I know how they can bring a new dimension to Xena/Mary Sue/Rey: after she hands Luke his light saber, he says, "Thanks. Now, go inside and make me a sandwich." :D
     
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    I get the criticisms that people are mentioning here and they're apparent on hindsight but, to be honest, I don't really care:

    I'm a child of the originals,wax very disappointed by the prequels and I went to the cinema in the hope of being able to get back the sense of awe that the originals provided at the time (they do start to look a little silly today (why are robots being tortured in Jedi? They can't feel pain).

    Awakens gave me back that sense of awe. I was captivated throughout and that was all I really wanted. This is my new Lord of the Rings. I only have three caveats:

    1. Kylo Ren was as good a baddy as Vader until he took his helmet off. From that moment on he was ruined as an antagonist.
    2. I didn't like the fighter pilot who's name escapes me. Too much of an 80s action hero cliche.
    3. Silly space monsters on Han's ship.

    I loved that it was a kind of reboot of the original - there's no harbour like a safe harbour. However, the next films do need to go in a different direction. The battle at the buggy-eyed ladies tavern was amazing.

    All the criticisms are intellectually valid but this film went beyond an intellectual level for me - it was an emotional homecoming that I'll remember fondly for a long time.
     
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    Wish I could've felt the same way. I did in places, but the movie didn't carry me away. Too predictable and too expedient. In retrospect, the plot holes just keep getting wider and deeper. Good visual spectacle, though.

    What's the explanation for Kylo Ren wearing a helmet, other than wanting to emulate his grandfather? Had he not yet outgrown his childhood asthma?

    I kind of liked the fighter pilot (Poe Dameron) until your apt characterization ruined that for me as well. He's straight out of the original "Battlestar Galactica" television series.
     
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    Sorry about that :) . But nice comp. He's Starbuck.
     
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    So what we're left with is the original Star Wars film with Xena the Warrior Princess and Starbuck added to carry it forward. Yeesh.
     
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    Personally, I think they should have made Porkins the main character in this one.

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    Right. As long as Abrams is doing the Social Justice Warrior thing, might as well have some righteous fat people in lead roles.
     
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    Saw it a week ago and it was very well done, but it is flawed.

    The Bad - the story is pretty much the same as A New Hope. A Droid finds a young Jedi in the desert and has info that's needed by the resistance. The bad guys have a planet that can fire a weapon that can destroy planets. The Bad guy is all in black with a black mask. The resistance needs to destroy the weapon and first must lower the shields.

    I mean, this is basically the same as 1977 Star Wars! I little more thought could have gone into the plot.

    Also, Finn should have no chance in a fight with Kylo Ren. He couldn't even beat the Storm Trooper he fought, how could he put up a fight against Ren, even if he was injured.

    The Good - the new characters were well done. We cared about them. This is a far cry from how I felt about the characters in the prequels. The look of the film was great also. It had the look of the original trilogy. Not all nice and clean like the prequels. I'm happy they killed off Han Solo. He is the best character in the Star Wars universe but the new trilogy belongs to the new characters. Solo was a focus of this film and it was great to see him one last time, but they can't keep him around.

    All in all I'm happy with it. It was nostalgic but it's now set up to move forward. They could of worked on the script and not borrowed (or lifted) so much from the original but the movie still works well. The sour taste of the prequels are gone and I'm looking forward to the next one.

    8/10
     
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    Seeing this for the second time on cable. Truly underwhelming. The new characters aren't very dynamic or likable. Still can't get over Carrie Fisher :eek:.
     
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    I have only seen the originals, not even the prequels...

    are any of them any good?
     
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    God no...do yourself a favor and don't watch them. I was always more of an Indiana Jones guy than a Star Wars guy, but the prequels killed the love I did have.

    The new one was...ehhh...a movie. There was nothing that amazing about it.
     
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    After the original trilogy they could've renamed the series Bad Casting.
     
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    I think Hayden Christiansen's mother must have some incriminating photos of George Lucas tucked away somewhere.
     
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    "YOU UNDER... ESTIMATE MY POWERRRRRS"
     
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    Back to present-day Carrie Fisher: I'll bet they could've found another actress her same age who looks more like she did 39 years ago and acts better as well.
     
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    She looked like she spent the last 39 years at the Benson and Hedges factory.
     
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