Report: Moss Restraining Order

[zarakotas5]

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There is now a copy of the affidavit that does indicate pretty strongly that the woman is making the claim against our Randy Moss.

Note height, weight, city, state and birthdate.

Doesn't mean she's not making the whole thing up - we don't know either way - but it does look like Moss is the subject of this request for a restraining order.

This has about as much factual information in it as a one would get from teen-agers on an IHOP comment card...

EDIT: Thanks PatsfaninAZ....written before you explained procedure.

 

[shmessy]

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AOL Sports is reporting it now. http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/01/16/patriots-randy-moss-hit-with-temporary-restraining-order/

No they aren't. They are reporting that WDBO has reported it. This is not an independent confirmation.

 

[DefenseRules]

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This entire story is so WEIRD.

 

[shmessy]

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This has about as much factual information in it as a one would get from teen-agers on an IHOP comment card...

I see no location, no state seal, no date, no description of complaint.

That could be a parking violation from Missouri for all we know.

 

[pwes]

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Isn't Moss married? What is this dating-violence crap? Can anyone explain what exactly dating violence is?

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

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This has about as much factual information in it as a one would get from teen-agers on an IHOP comment card...

Again, if an order of protection has issued, this would not be the only document in the file. This is the just the document the complainant fills out to help the police or sherrif figure out who and where to serve the order. That's not going to be tough in this case.

It's not her complaint, which would have much more detail.

 

[Tunescribe]

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It's unsubstantiated until ANOTHER news outlet independently confirms that Randy Moss of the New England Patriots is the Randy Moss mentioned in it.

At this moment only ONE media source out of over 10,000 hungry, attention starved media outlets in America is reporting this as the truth.

I'm still waiting for the second to confirm. It's been over 14 hours since the report from WDBO came out.

What truly bothers me about this report is the fact that Moss has not been arrested or charged with anything. Yet, because of his past indiscretions people are jumping the gun and going apesh!t.

We must consider the possibility that this "report" was engineered by detractors to "break" during a critical juncture in the Patriots' championship run. Until something more substantial comes of it, I think we need to turn down the hysteria a bit and stop fanning the flames.

 

[JaxPats]

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Place of work " UNKNOWN" ????WTF? me smells rotten fish here.

 

[Deus Irae]

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This will have no impact upon the current season, so there's really no sense lingering over it unless more information comes to light.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

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Isn't Moss married? What is this dating-violence crap? Can anyone explain what exactly dating violence is?

To get an order of protection, you need to show you have a relationship with the person you say you feel is threatening you.

They are called different things depending on the type of relationship alleged. If the person is your spouse, the parent of your child, or someone you've lived with for a while, it's called "domestic violence" and filed that way.

If the person is someone you've had a long term relationship of a sexual or anticipated sexual relationship with, it's called "dating violence." The complainant would have had to establish all of this in her application to convince the judge there is probable cause to issue an order.

 

[PantsB]

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Here's the way it works. In addition to this document, the complainant would also file something under oath -- usually an affidavit. I would then immediately be presented to a judge who would decide whether or not to issue the order. It is unclear whether an order was entered here, although I assume one was.

So just because she didn't fill out the defendant-information form with a lot of detail it doesn't mean her affidavit did not contain lots of detail. She would have had to answer many questions in order to get an order -- specifically, what happened, how it was she qualified for the "dating violence" statute, and why she thought she was in imminent danger. The judge would review all that.

An order may only be entered for 15 days if it is ex parte -- that is, if the defendant wasn't there to respond. That's the reason why a hearing is set within 15 days, to give the defendant a chance to appear. The initial report is consistent with that, saying there is a Jan 28 hearing. This would suggest the judge did enter the order and that there exists in the word an affidavit under oath saying bad things about our Randy.

I'm not a lawyer (I just play one on the intertubes) but don't they very much err on the side of caution for restraining orders, though. Its my understanding that the standard of evidence for this type of order, especially a temporary one, is very low. The position is - I believe - better to give the order and force someone to stay away from someone even if violence is not a possibility than to not grant the order and violence to occur.

Again, the claim could definitely be legitimate. Patriots fans now like to play ostrich but Moss doesn't have a spotless past and that includes serious violence and at least some domestic violence (the charges were dropped and over ten years ago). But we don't know enough to say either way and the timing is suspicious.

Come on guys it's obvious. Florida? the timing? the vaguely filled out report? It was Mercury Morris.

LOL

 

[DaBruinz]

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There is now a copy of the affidavit that does indicate pretty strongly that the woman is making the claim against our Randy Moss.

Note height, weight, city, state and birthdate.

Doesn't mean she's not making the whole thing up - we don't know either way - but it does look like Moss is the subject of this request for a restraining order.

Interesting. She lists his car as having Massachusetts or West Virginia plates. Those two plates are distinctly different. So which one was it?

Also, I don't believe, though I could be wrong, that Moss isn't required to register his car in Massachusetts unless he changes his residency status to Massachusetts. I don't believe that any car company rents Infinitys, but I could be wrong. So, why would Moss, if he owns an Infinity that he registered in Massachusetts, have it down in Florida where this incident supposedly took place? I doubt that he would have driven all the way down to Florida during the bye week and driven all the way back up.

Also interesting is that for the AGE, its sure looks like the letter "B" and not even close to 30.

The petitioner also lists Boston, MA as his place of residence. I'm pretty sure that Moss' permanent address is in Boca Raton, where he lives in the off-season.

As someone mentioned earlier, this is starting to stink like 6 month old albacore that's been left in the Texas sun.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

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That could be a parking violation from Missouri for all we know.

I don't know: It's the instruction form from Broward county to help police serve an order of protection. It's initialed by the clerk.

I don't want this to be true, and I hope she's loony. But it's pretty clear than at least an application alleging violence and harrassment has been filed against the Patriots wide receiver.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

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I'm not a lawyer (I just play one on the intertubes) but don't they very much err on the side of caution for restraining orders, though.

Yes. You don't want to be the duty judge who declined to sign an order only to have someone end up hurt or worse.

So they don't need much to issue a 15-day order and schedule a hearing. Still, you do need to allege all the stuff to satisfy the statute, which would be unflattering here. So, at a minimum, we know someone has said some nasty things about our guy under oath.

 

[PantsB]

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Also interesting is that for the AGE, its sure looks like the letter "B" and not even close to 30.

Thats actually RACE but the R is cutoff (I was confused at first too). B=black. Which is also something we could have figured out about Moss

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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This will have no impact upon the current season, so there's really no sense lingering over it unless more information comes to light.

LOL You musn't have been here when Bill's indiscretions (no, not the taping one) were going to totally derail a dynasty and Myra was gonna demand Bob can his sorry ass...

Dale and Holley just said that no media member brought THIS matter up at Bill's AM PC, although several questions regarding Moss were asked. Not that he would comment, but you would think some a-hole would have taken a shot at asking him to...

A poster over on the Planet this AM said he had been in contact with someone at Gillette who told him it was BS. He wasn't sure if they meant BS as in never happened or BS as in some form of harassment.

 

[Sariana]

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Interesting. She lists his car as having Massachusetts or West Virginia plates. Those two plates are distinctly different. So which one was it?

Also, I don't believe, though I could be wrong, that Moss is required to register his car in Massachusetts unless he changes his residency status to Massachusetts. I don't believe that any car company rents Infinitys, but I could be wrong. So, why would Moss, if he owns an Infinity that he registered in Massachusetts, have it down in Florida where this incident supposedly took place? I doubt that he would have driven all the way down to Florida during the bye week and driven all the way back up.

Also interesting is that for the AGE, its sure looks like the letter "B" and not even close to 30.

The petitioner also lists Boston, MA as his place of residence. I'm pretty sure that Moss' permanent address is in Boca Raton, where he lives in the off-season.

As someone mentioned earlier, this is starting to stink like 6 month old albacore that's been left in the Texas sun.

I am watching this thread closely, but like others, I do not wish to jump to conclusions until we get more info.

However, that first item under physical description looked like age to me at first as well. But if you notice, the left side of the paper is cut off a bit. I think that it is Race B.... since age age is a few questions away...

 

[ctpatsfan77]

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Also interesting is that for the AGE, its sure looks like the letter "B" and not even close to 30.

That's actually the word "RACE" with the "R" cut off, and a "B" for "Black."

 

[shmessy]

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I don't know: It's the instruction form from Broward county to help police serve an order of protection. It's initialed by the clerk.

I don't want this to be true, and I hope she's loony. But it's pretty clear than at least an application alleging violence and harrassment has been filed against the Patriots wide receiver.

I see nowhere on that pdf form where it says "Broward County" or "Florida" for that matter.

PantsB did not give a link to where he found that form.

This info is still not substantial to me.

 

[DaBruinz]

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Excuse me for not dumbing it down enough for you. I didn't realize ppl needed explicit instructions to find a search button.

Next time I'll put it so you can understand...perhaps grade 5 reading comp level?

Next time, take your head out of your arse and actually say what you mean. Its not a matter of being beyond a 5th grade reading level. Its a matter of you being stupid and thinking that everyone else thinks like you and will understand what you are trying to imply.

Also, you were the one taking issue with PatriotsReign for getting on you, yet you were doing the exact same thing to him, friggin hypocrite.