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QB: Brady>Sanchez
WR1: Welker>Holmes
WR2: Lloyd>Hill (at least until proven otherwise)
TE: Gronk>Keller
RB: Greene>Ridley (at least until proven otherwise)
LT: Ferguson>Solder (at least until proven otherwise)
LG: Mankins>Moore
C: Mangold>Connolly
RG: Waters>Slauson
RT: Vollmer>Hunter
(Note: left out TE2/FB because the Pats use a two TE set while the jets use a two RB set)
DT: Wilkerson>Love
NT: Wilfork>Pouha
DE: Ninkovich>Coples (at least until proven otherwise)
OLB: Mayo>Pace
ILB: Harris>Spikes
OLB: Scott>Hightower (at least until proven otherwise)
CB: Revis>>>>McCourty
S: ??Bell vs. Gregory???
S: Landry>Chung (although Chung is more likely to stay on the field)
CB: Cromartie>Dowling (at least until proven otherwise)
Nickel: Arrington>Wilson
Note: The Pats look to be moving to a 4 man front while the Jets are still a 3-4 base. Hard to compare some positions because of it.
Kicker: Gostkowski>Folk
Punter: Mesko>Conley
I put (at least until proven otherwise) next to battles where one of the two are fairly unproven or a rookie.
I think the writing is pretty much on the wall that the Jets will be transitioning to a 43 defense this season. Their last few drafts have pushed them that way and Rex pretty much said its going to happen.
Offensively its hard to even argue the skill positions. Quite frankly the Jets talent level is poor. Holmes has talent but is likely not going to be happy on the team. WR2 and WR3 is a mess. The Jets are right back where they were in 2009 before they made the move for Braylon Edwards. Their starting wideouts before that trade were Jerricho Cotchery, Chansi Stuckey, and Brad Smith.
I like the Jets line better than New Englands, though the Patriots line was better last season. Alot depends on Ferguson who was a disaster last season. I have no idea what happened with him, but he was a mess in the second half of the year to the point where I was surprised the front office gave him as much of a signing bonus as they did. I figured they would want to play it safer. Waters actually lines up against Moore not Slauson. Id call that a push though Ive never been the biggest Moore fan. Mankins is better than Slauson but that the most easily hidden spot on the line.
Id imagine the Jets D-line front this year will be Wilkerson, Pouha, Ellis, and Coples/Maybin. If Maybin plays like he did last season he is the best pass rusher for either team. Thats a big if though. He would be worthless on 1st and 2nd downs. I think you are selling Pouha short. I know Wilfork is the bigger name and more respected player but Pouha was dominant last season against the run. I can see calling Wilfork better, especially since Pouha only did it at that level for one season, but I dont think its a big gap. The secondary I think you have right.
To me the Jets secondary is, barring rookie 2nd year player surprises, almost as dominant compared to the Patriots as the Patriots skill guys are to the Jets. The corner tandem is the best in the NFL and the safeties are better than last season. The Jets deficiency last year (and probably this one too) is against teams like yours the secondary will look awful because once you spread them out it does no good to have Revis and Cromartie out there. Just avoid them and pick on the safeties or 3rd corner. They will be better than last season since Smith will be replaced, at least until Landry gets hurt, and Bell is better than Leonhard, but it will be a rough go against New England. Luckily very few teams have the personnel to do that to the Jets.
The one area where NEs secondary does well and while I wouldnt consider it as big a difference as the Jet/Pats WRs is they are extremely opportunistic and they dont seem to drop interceptions. The Jets are not a good interception team despite the fact that they do have great cover guys. Its the one thing missing from the team the last three years and why it was too bad Kerry Rhodes never bought in because he was the athletic guy with range they needed. They play better in the red zone as well and your coach does a great job of not having them do things they cant do, which limits the super huge plays and scores. Thats not really talent related but the results are the same regardless.
Still as a Jet fan its probably foolish to compare the Jets to the year over year elite squads in the AFC. The Jets have yet to prove to be a great regular season team and their mix works better in the playoffs where games tend to slow down, especially in the cold. If roles were reversed and they had Pittsburgh in 2009 rather than Indy on the fast track the Jets probably advance to the Super Bowl that year. But regular season wise the team has won 9, 11, and 8 games since Rex got here. That cant compare to teams that routinely win 10 or more games every year. The Jets need to be comparing themselves to teams like the Titans, Bengals, Bills (who I think are way overrated spending money on pass rushers who have not really proven to be worth the kind of money despite the name value), Chargers, etc.... at this stage. Start off the year 5-1 or something like that and you can start looking at how you match up with the big boys. But its not time for that. Hopefully there will be a time for it but right now its kind of a pointless exercise.
Given the apparent move to create inside pressure in the NFL, I can't agree with your comments about the Guard position being hidden. If anything, it's more important now than ever before.I think the writing is pretty much on the wall that the Jets will be transitioning to a 43 defense this season. Their last few drafts have pushed them that way and Rex pretty much said its going to happen.
Offensively its hard to even argue the skill positions. Quite frankly the Jets talent level is poor. Holmes has talent but is likely not going to be happy on the team. WR2 and WR3 is a mess. The Jets are right back where they were in 2009 before they made the move for Braylon Edwards. Their starting wideouts before that trade were Jerricho Cotchery, Chansi Stuckey, and Brad Smith.
I like the Jets line better than New Englands, though the Patriots line was better last season. Alot depends on Ferguson who was a disaster last season. I have no idea what happened with him, but he was a mess in the second half of the year to the point where I was surprised the front office gave him as much of a signing bonus as they did. I figured they would want to play it safer. Waters actually lines up against Moore not Slauson. Id call that a push though Ive never been the biggest Moore fan. Mankins is better than Slauson but that the most easily hidden spot on the line.
Id imagine the Jets D-line front this year will be Wilkerson, Pouha, Ellis, and Coples/Maybin. If Maybin plays like he did last season he is the best pass rusher for either team. Thats a big if though. He would be worthless on 1st and 2nd downs. I think you are selling Pouha short. I know Wilfork is the bigger name and more respected player but Pouha was dominant last season against the run. I can see calling Wilfork better, especially since Pouha only did it at that level for one season, but I dont think its a big gap. The secondary I think you have right.
To me the Jets secondary is, barring rookie 2nd year player surprises, almost as dominant compared to the Patriots as the Patriots skill guys are to the Jets. The corner tandem is the best in the NFL and the safeties are better than last season. The Jets deficiency last year (and probably this one too) is against teams like yours the secondary will look awful because once you spread them out it does no good to have Revis and Cromartie out there. Just avoid them and pick on the safeties or 3rd corner. They will be better than last season since Smith will be replaced, at least until Landry gets hurt, and Bell is better than Leonhard, but it will be a rough go against New England. Luckily very few teams have the personnel to do that to the Jets.
The one area where NEs secondary does well and while I wouldnt consider it as big a difference as the Jet/Pats WRs is they are extremely opportunistic and they dont seem to drop interceptions. The Jets are not a good interception team despite the fact that they do have great cover guys. Its the one thing missing from the team the last three years and why it was too bad Kerry Rhodes never bought in because he was the athletic guy with range they needed. They play better in the red zone as well and your coach does a great job of not having them do things they cant do, which limits the super huge plays and scores. Thats not really talent related but the results are the same regardless.
Still as a Jet fan its probably foolish to compare the Jets to the year over year elite squads in the AFC. The Jets have yet to prove to be a great regular season team and their mix works better in the playoffs where games tend to slow down, especially in the cold. If roles were reversed and they had Pittsburgh in 2009 rather than Indy on the fast track the Jets probably advance to the Super Bowl that year. But regular season wise the team has won 9, 11, and 8 games since Rex got here. That cant compare to teams that routinely win 10 or more games every year. The Jets need to be comparing themselves to teams like the Titans, Bengals, Bills (who I think are way overrated spending money on pass rushers who have not really proven to be worth the kind of money despite the name value), Chargers, etc.... at this stage. Start off the year 5-1 or something like that and you can start looking at how you match up with the big boys. But its not time for that. Hopefully there will be a time for it but right now its kind of a pointless exercise.
this brings up an interesting question, who would start at QB for NE if they swapped Brady for Sanchez? I'd have to think that both Hoyer and Mallett would beat out Sanchez in camp.
I think the writing is pretty much on the wall that the Jets will be transitioning to a 43 defense this season. Their last few drafts have pushed them that way and Rex pretty much said its going to happen.
Offensively its hard to even argue the skill positions. Quite frankly the Jets talent level is poor. Holmes has talent but is likely not going to be happy on the team. WR2 and WR3 is a mess. The Jets are right back where they were in 2009 before they made the move for Braylon Edwards. Their starting wideouts before that trade were Jerricho Cotchery, Chansi Stuckey, and Brad Smith.
I like the Jets line better than New Englands, though the Patriots line was better last season. Alot depends on Ferguson who was a disaster last season. I have no idea what happened with him, but he was a mess in the second half of the year to the point where I was surprised the front office gave him as much of a signing bonus as they did. I figured they would want to play it safer. Waters actually lines up against Moore not Slauson. Id call that a push though Ive never been the biggest Moore fan. Mankins is better than Slauson but that the most easily hidden spot on the line.
Id imagine the Jets D-line front this year will be Wilkerson, Pouha, Ellis, and Coples/Maybin. If Maybin plays like he did last season he is the best pass rusher for either team. Thats a big if though. He would be worthless on 1st and 2nd downs. I think you are selling Pouha short. I know Wilfork is the bigger name and more respected player but Pouha was dominant last season against the run. I can see calling Wilfork better, especially since Pouha only did it at that level for one season, but I dont think its a big gap. The secondary I think you have right.
To me the Jets secondary is, barring rookie 2nd year player surprises, almost as dominant compared to the Patriots as the Patriots skill guys are to the Jets. The corner tandem is the best in the NFL and the safeties are better than last season. The Jets deficiency last year (and probably this one too) is against teams like yours the secondary will look awful because once you spread them out it does no good to have Revis and Cromartie out there. Just avoid them and pick on the safeties or 3rd corner. They will be better than last season since Smith will be replaced, at least until Landry gets hurt, and Bell is better than Leonhard, but it will be a rough go against New England. Luckily very few teams have the personnel to do that to the Jets.
The one area where NEs secondary does well and while I wouldnt consider it as big a difference as the Jet/Pats WRs is they are extremely opportunistic and they dont seem to drop interceptions. The Jets are not a good interception team despite the fact that they do have great cover guys. Its the one thing missing from the team the last three years and why it was too bad Kerry Rhodes never bought in because he was the athletic guy with range they needed. They play better in the red zone as well and your coach does a great job of not having them do things they cant do, which limits the super huge plays and scores. Thats not really talent related but the results are the same regardless.
Still as a Jet fan its probably foolish to compare the Jets to the year over year elite squads in the AFC. The Jets have yet to prove to be a great regular season team and their mix works better in the playoffs where games tend to slow down, especially in the cold. If roles were reversed and they had Pittsburgh in 2009 rather than Indy on the fast track the Jets probably advance to the Super Bowl that year. But regular season wise the team has won 9, 11, and 8 games since Rex got here. That cant compare to teams that routinely win 10 or more games every year. The Jets need to be comparing themselves to teams like the Titans, Bengals, Bills (who I think are way overrated spending money on pass rushers who have not really proven to be worth the kind of money despite the name value), Chargers, etc.... at this stage. Start off the year 5-1 or something like that and you can start looking at how you match up with the big boys. But its not time for that. Hopefully there will be a time for it but right now its kind of a pointless exercise.
I like the Jets line better than New Englands, though the Patriots line was better last season. Alot depends on Ferguson who was a disaster last season. I have no idea what happened with him, but he was a mess in the second half of the year to the point where I was surprised the front office gave him as much of a signing bonus as they did. I figured they would want to play it safer. Waters actually lines up against Moore not Slauson. Id call that a push though Ive never been the biggest Moore fan. Mankins is better than Slauson but that the most easily hidden spot on the line.
Id imagine the Jets D-line front this year will be Wilkerson, Pouha, Ellis, and Coples/Maybin. If Maybin plays like he did last season he is the best pass rusher for either team. Thats a big if though. He would be worthless on 1st and 2nd downs. I think you are selling Pouha short. I know Wilfork is the bigger name and more respected player but Pouha was dominant last season against the run. I can see calling Wilfork better, especially since Pouha only did it at that level for one season, but I dont think its a big gap. The secondary I think you have right.
To me the Jets secondary is, barring rookie 2nd year player surprises, almost as dominant compared to the Patriots as the Patriots skill guys are to the Jets. The corner tandem is the best in the NFL and the safeties are better than last season. The Jets deficiency last year (and probably this one too) is against teams like yours the secondary will look awful because once you spread them out it does no good to have Revis and Cromartie out there. Just avoid them and pick on the safeties or 3rd corner. They will be better than last season since Smith will be replaced, at least until Landry gets hurt, and Bell is better than Leonhard, but it will be a rough go against New England. Luckily very few teams have the personnel to do that to the Jets.
Due to our coaching staff having overall freedom of allowing coverage corners in Revis, Cromartie and Wilson to be lined up in man to man, one on one coverage... Yeremiah Bell and LaRon Landry have the ability (potential) to change the entire outlook of our defense this up coming season. They may not be the greatest coverage Safety's around, but with Revis and Cromartie locking up on the outside? These two Safety's in Bell and Landry are 'Taylor-Made' for a Rex Ryan led defense. If Landry is able to return to previous form (health wise), we're on the verge of featuring strong, aggressive, tough, physical, hard hitting types of Safety's; who are both very strong open field tacklers. Something we haven't had in quite some time. Due to having the strongest trio of coverage corners around, our Safety's in Bell and Landry will be able to roam the middle of the field while looking to punish TE's crossing the middle of the field and/or HB's coming out of the backfield. Health is key, because if Landry can stay healthy? Bell and Landry will add another dimension to our defense, a dimension that we've lacked for quite some time; which are big, strong, aggressive, physical, hard hitting, strong tackling Safety's being asked to roam the middle of the field.
Fair post.
3 things I would comment on.
1) I think you severely overrate Cromartie. He is much closer to mediocre than good.
2) I disagree with your assessment that the Jet OL is better. The primary difference being that you have a huge liability at RT and absolutely no depth while the Patriots have no glaring weakness and likely the most OL depth in the NFL.
3) Your comments that the Jets are better suited to the post season overlooks the fact that they have become a weak running team. No OL improvement and the same RB who was a disappointment last year says this team is much closer to the 2011 Jets that struggle to run effectively than the 09-10 versions who could be better at playoff time by running well. You were 22nd in rushing yards (even with a laibility at QB) and 30th in ypa.
That site is endlessly entertaining. Here's DWC's latest novella:
A few things I really like about this post:
1) The use of adjectives. Some people use too few, others too many. DWC knows just the right amount. I honestly had no idea that these new safeties are strong, strongly built, strong tacklers, hard-nosed, hard hitting, tough, aggressive, mean, nasty, strong, hard, built, strong built, built-Ford-tough, mean-nasty, sick-nasty, strongly aggressive AND physically strong. They also double as golf clubs.
2) What's outstanding football analysis without proper punctuation and lyrical prose? DWC has learned this lesson well. if Landry can stay healthy? Revis and Cromartie locking up on the outside? I'm Ron Burgandy?
3) No room for ambiguity. When you're a human thesaurus like DWC you have the ability (potential, opportunity, chance, upside) not to let anything said be left ambiguos (open to interpretation). This is particularly useful when you want to distinguish between Landry returning to previous form football-skill-wise (no thank you!) or merely health-wise.
4) But what's style without substance? This is where he really shines. Now that the Jets have the personal to build Revis, Wilson, and Cromartie Islands, all Landry has to do is be accountable for "punishing" the TE's or the HBs coming out of the backfield. Simple.
Given the apparent move to create inside pressure in the NFL, I can't agree with your comments about the Guard position being hidden. If anything, it's more important now than ever before.
The pressures from the outside are basically double what comes thru the guards. Teams use the inside to "trick" the blockers but the pass rushers are coming from the exterior. Last year on a per pass basis Mankins gave up more pressures and sacks than Slauson. Nobody would have every guessed that without looking at numbers. Thats why I say its hidden. Center is even more hidden to the point where I actually question paying so much money to certain players.
Until proven otherwise:
Ferguson > Solder
Mankins > Slauson
Mangold > Koppen/Connolly
Waters > Moore
Vollmer > carcass of a mole > Hunter
The Patriots are better at 3 positions, and they are much better at all 3. Calling the Jets line the better of the two is wildly inaccurate. Solder is closer to Ferguson than Moore to Waters, Slauson to Mankins or Hunter to Vollmer. This is a knockout win for the Patriots.
I don't agree with you but you're welcome to that opinion. 4-3 penetrating DT's shooting up the middle isn't my idea of a "trick".The pressures from the outside are basically double what comes thru the guards. Teams use the inside to "trick" the blockers but the pass rushers are coming from the exterior. Last year on a per pass basis Mankins gave up more pressures and sacks than Slauson. Nobody would have every guessed that without looking at numbers. Thats why I say its hidden. Center is even more hidden to the point where I actually question paying so much money to certain players.
NE's line, which did grade out far better than the Jets last season"
sorry if I missed it but is there a link where I can see this stat? I'm specifically interested in how evenly it's distributed game to game.