Peyton's 49 TDs

[alamo]

Manning scored 7 TDs in the fourth Quarter and had 3 INT. Coincidentally he also had 3 INT when up by 22+ which means that he tried to run up the score and failed 3 times.

Oddly enough, Brady ALSO had 3 INT when up by 22+. That's 3/8 of his INTs, which is surprising. But if you are going to throw an INT that's the time to do so!

 

[C'est La Vie]

yeah, that was his choice, wasn't it?
maybe if he'd have been playing to win instead of just playing enough to chase stats he'd still have the record.

That would be Dungy's choice. Great thread, I have said my peace. Peace.

 

[eom]

That would be Dungy's choice.

yeah, right.
lolz x10

 

[makewayhomer]

Your over rating what 40 degrees is like. I bet most players prefer it to 80.

but how many prefer it to 68 and indoors with no wind?

any degree of wind makes offense harder. Brady played in 2 HORRIBLE weather games this weather and probably 5 others that weren't in ideal weather.

Manning played 1 game under less than ideal conditions (Chicago)

 

[Wildo7]

Another point is that Brady and the Pats blowing people out more than the Colts means he is supposed to be docked all those extra minutes of play, and chances to score more TDs because his team is leading by more? This simply makes no sense. Last time I checked, the defense is still on the field whether you are blowing them out or not.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Hey I realize this isn't worthy of its own thread, but I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can look at the situation under which Brady and Manning threw each of their 50 and 49 TDs in a season, respectively. The reason why is that I keep seeing this come up in arguments but as usual, no one uses actual facts, they just make vague accusations:

1) The total number of TDs thrown by each QB within the 5 yard line, broken down by yard line (e.g. 4 at the 1 yard line, 3 at the 2 etc.)

2) The total number of minutes played by Manning and Brady in the 4th quarter

3) The number of TDs each QB scored while up by 14 pts or more

I wanted to originally compile these stats by myself but unfortunately I lack the resourcefulness to even know where to look for this. And even if the stats are skewed towards one or the other QB, I still don't think it makes one or the other's less significant (if Brady played more 4th quarter minutes and finished games throwing TDs more in goal line situations it may be one of the bigger reasons the Pats are 17-0 and still in the playoffs). Either way, I really want to break it down so I can see if the Brady-haters even have an accurate perception of when and how Brady threw his TDs v. Mannings.

Wildo, Wildo...tsk, tsk Why don't you just relish in the fact Brady has the record now. No one cares who did what & when. Seriously, if you come across someone who says, "Well Manning had 16 TD in the red zone, 4 TD passes over 50 yards, etc., etc." Just tell them who gives a rats a**? Really, Brady has the record, end of story.

 

[RayClay]

I don't see it. What was the temp when you played Skins? What was the score? How many TD's did Tommy throw? How many more would he have thrown in a Dome?

I don't worry about the stats, I remember that season. We've had injuries at RB and didn't want to use them so that Maroney (Morris gone) would be healthy for the big games.

We still used Maroney lately, even while Brady got close to the record.

James ran for over 1,500 yards and played all 16 games. Dominic Rhodes was also available for 16 games.

When they got to the two yard line? Peyton passed.

10 rushing TDS 9 for James and 1 for Rhodes.

With injuries to both primary running backs, the Pats have 17 rushing tds. Morris, Maroney, Brady, Cassell, Evans and Eckel.

Why not worry about the temperature when Dungy rested everyone out of fear and didn't bring a team that was ready to play?

 

[solman]

There isn't a serious argument in favor of Peyton 2004 being better than Brady 2007.

I wish that people would stop taking these trolls seriously and dignifying their arguments.

BTW, Brady had 52 TDs this year, not 50. Don't forget about his two rushing TDs.

 

[RayClay]

There isn't a serious argument in favor of Peyton 2004 being better than Brady 2007.

I wish that people would stop taking these trolls seriously and dignifying their arguments.

BTW, Brady had 52 TDs this year, not 50. Don't forget about his two rushing TDs.

I believe the record is for passing TDs.

 

[Deus Irae]

I believe the record is for passing TDs.

Brady got both records this season. The 50 passing TD's and the 52 TD's by a quarterback are both NFL records.

 

[BradyToMoss]

There isn't a serious argument in favor of Peyton 2004 being better than Brady 2007.

I wish that people would stop taking these trolls seriously and dignifying their arguments.

BTW, Brady had 52 TDs this year, not 50. Don't forget about his two rushing TDs.

Actually 55

Moss drop against the Steelers (He catches that slant 99% of the time)

Ben Watson drop in Baltimore, after catching the ball and then losing it.

Bogus Moss pushoff TD against the Colts that was called back courtesy of Bill Polian and his band of zebras.

 

[Ootball]

Actually 55

Moss drop against the Steelers (He catches that slant 99% of the time)

Ben Watson drop in Baltimore, after catching the ball and then losing it.

Bogus Moss pushoff TD against the Colts that was called back courtesy of Bill Polian and his band of zebras.

Well, you could just as easily say 45, and point to the miraculous, inhuman grabs that Moss made for TD's that no other living person could have possibly made...

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

There isn't a serious argument in favor of Peyton 2004 being better than Brady 2007.

I wish that people would stop taking these trolls seriously and dignifying their arguments.

BTW, Brady had 52 TDs this year, not 50. Don't forget about his two rushing TDs.

No kidding. They have a QB who can't win a single playoff game with the #1 defense in the league. The trolls come here and they got nothing but their second place QB and the tuck rule. Which, by the way, IS A RULE.

In other words, they got nothing.

 

[Ootball]

No kidding. They have a QB who can't win a single playoff game with the #1 defense in the league. The trolls come here and they got nothing but their second place QB and the tuck rule. Which, by the way, IS A RULE.

In other words, they got nothing.

You've gotta be about 17, 18 tops.

Just to clarify, since you're a little obsessed with it, I brought up the tuck rule only because Brady was saved by it; I never said it was a bad call. It was the right call. But Brady hardly planned it that way, and he was kind of lucky that such a rule exists. That could have easily been a game-ending fumble, just as last year's INT in the Chargers game could have been game-ending, if they didn't fumble it right back to the Pats.

Those 2 things happen, and his record of what you guys call "choking" isn't a heck of a lot better than Manning's. And luck was part of that, which - if you want to look at my original statement - was all I was trying to say.

I don't really expect you to understand what I'm trying to say, because of your age, but I'm the one in this debate who respects both guys & thinks they are both greats. For the record, I do think Brady is better.

 

[National Sports Advisors]

Manning is a great QB, but would he have had 49 that year if he played outdoors in the weather conditions that Brady had to play in down the stretch(Baltimore, Miami, Jets, Giants)? I doubt it. Flip it around, do you think Brady would have still had 50(if not more) if he played the two home games against the Jets and Dolphins in a dome? Absolutely!

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

You've gotta be about 17, 18 tops.

Just to clarify, since you're a little obsessed with it, I brought up the tuck rule only because Brady was saved by it; I never said it was a bad call. It was the right call. But Brady hardly planned it that way, and he was kind of lucky that such a rule exists. That could have easily been a game-ending fumble, just as last year's INT in the Chargers game could have been game-ending, if they didn't fumble it right back to the Pats.

Those 2 things happen, and his record of what you guys call "choking" isn't a heck of a lot better than Manning's. And luck was part of that, which - if you want to look at my original statement - was all I was trying to say.

I don't really expect you to understand what I'm trying to say, because of your age, but I'm the one in this debate who respects both guys & thinks they are both greats. For the record, I do think Brady is better.

Actually, you are the 17 year old in this. You show up as a troll with nothing to say. This post once again indicates that you got nothing. I never brought up the tuck rule in the other post or this one, that was you. You brought it up multiple times, but since you got nothing else, you try to imply that I am somehow obsessed with it. I recognize that it is a rule, end of story. You brought it up and kept bringing it up, not me. So once again you are grasping at straws and have nothing.

Brady's record flat out annihilates Manning in the post season, especially when related to being clutch versus choking it up in big games. The idea that Brady is almost within two games of Manning in the choke category is absurd, whether or not the tuck rule exists. Just more of your hogwash. Brady has had a handful of bad throws in his 15 post season games. Manning has had a boatload.

Once again, you come here with absolutely NOTHING to say, and to hide the fact that you got nothing you try this little distraction about how old I am. Unfortunately, you are wrong on that front as well and you still got nothing.

Run along to your mommy, little 17 year old troll.

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

Manning is a great QB, but would he have had 49 that year if he played outdoors in the weather conditions that Brady had to play in down the stretch(Baltimore, Miami, Jets, Giants)? I doubt it. Flip it around, do you think Brady would have still had 50(if not more) if he played the two home games against the Jets and Dolphins in a dome? Absolutely!

Take away the refs and new pass interference rules and Manning would not have had 49 the year he did. Not even close. Polian and Dungy represented 40% of the competition committee and they handcrafted the rules to their favor and then coached up the refs in the offseason with the films of their choice.

That year was an adjustment year to the new rules, and there was a ton of passing and a lot of perplexed defenses. McNabb and others looked unstoppable that year.

Add in bad weather games, and being taken out of 8 games in the start of the fourth quarter, and Manning would not get the job done. He would have thrown more picks instead of touchdowns.