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  1. FanSince81

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    Actually I walked away from the entire NFL until they started standing again and respecting this nation. Unlike you, I actually have a life and have better things to do than argue with an idiot on an Internet forum. As I said, hire Kaepernick and I will no longer respect and be a fan of this organization. It’s no skin off your nose so don’t worry about it.
     
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    turkeyneck In the Starting Line-Up

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    I'd rather have Joe Kapp - in whatever his present condition is.
     
  3. Tb12goesinya

    Tb12goesinya Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Does CC really believe what he is saying
     
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  4. primetime

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    There are no decisions made in the NFL individually when they involve issues of national relevance. It's a cartel of 31 people (and a 32nd chairman). If there was a chance this wasn't a blacklist, they would have called Kaepernick's bluff. It would've been a coup to fight him in court. They settled instead.

    The NFL has an antitrust exemption. That antitrust exemption has been upheld by courts (see: the USFL). It is literally the definition of a state-sponsored monopoly.
     
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  5. LJRomanoff

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    Evidence?

    The NFL does not have an antitrust exemption (see Radovich v. NFL) except in one sense as it relates to negotiating television contracts. And it got that by giving up Friday and Saturday night games.

    Even if it did have one an antitrust exemption would not make it a "state-sponsored monopoly."
     
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  6. primetime

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    Deflategate. Kraft conspired against his own team. This **** isn't rocket science. It's a goddamned cartel dude.

    So what you're saying is... the NFL has an antitrust exemption.
     
  7. LJRomanoff

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    Kraft caving on Deflategate proves "no decisioms[sic] made in the NFL individually"? Please connect the dots on this ridiculous leap of logic.

    No, I'm saying that the existence of the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961 is not evidence that the NFL is a state-sponsored monopoly. It's neither state sponsored nor a monopoly.
     
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  8. PatsFanInVa

    PatsFanInVa PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I'm not sure why, but you're in trouble for "pale by comparison" on this topic. I'm going to say go ahead and get signed up for an HR seminar.
     
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    I just don't remember Kapernick being that good. Would go another route.
     
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    The funny rating is because you humorously pointed out the irony of his position. Not at you.
     
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    I don’t give two craps about his kneeling. His right to do that is what makes us different from North Korea. He is however a colossal douchebag and I hope he doesn’t make it back in the league.
     
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  12. QuantumMechanic

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    It likely was never going to court. The grievance (that was just dropped as part of the settlement) was before an arbitrator, not in a court.
     
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    No worries there, sport...ho!y s###...
     
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    Unlike MLB's century-old granted by SCOTUS exemption, the NFL's antitrust exemptions are only with respect to negotiating TV contracts (an exemption given to all the big sports) and an antitrust exemption with respect to the CBA (the league can do antitrust things -- like the draft and salary cap -- because the players agreed to it in the CBA). That exemption is given to all businesses operating with a CBA and the exemption is with respect to worker-related antitrust stuff. A CBA doesn't grant antitrust exemptions to the business with respect to other parties.

    The NFL actually lost the USFL case and the jury said the NFL violated the antitrust statutes. It definitely did not uphold any antitrust exemption. However, the jury also ruled that the USFL was a dead man walking and that the NFL only caused $1 in damages, which under antitrust law was trebled to $3.
     
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    Right but the "losing" of the case was, as you noted, ironic. The USFL was slaughtered in part by the exemption on TV right negotiation, and by the time the remedy was granted in court, the USFL was already dead. The government upholds the purview of the NFL as the only game in town. The president weighs in on NFL issues. Do we imagine it's unaffected?

    Courts are odd beasts and the settlement of this grievance alone is enough to uphold the idea that the NFL felt opposing counsel had enough that could show collusion such that we can probably ascertain there was smoke to whatever fire. Those dishonest cretins demanding evidence know there will never be evidence because we idiots on forums aren't privy to discovery processes or the internal workings of the NFL, and will never accept the smoke-fire argument. Never mind that asking for evidence on pats fans dot com, a literally insane website of all of us moronic idiots, may actually be the dumbest move of all.

    None of this is to weigh in on the content of Kaepernick's speech because I don't care all that much. He's a dumb lodestone for people whose politics amount to, with respect to Debord, spectacle and little else, on either side.
     
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  16. TheBeers

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    CK isn’t a professional football player anymore. He had one decent year forever ago. This is obvious. That is all.
     
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    MUFC7 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    6 pages and it's still open and hasn't ended up as a political discussion. Fellas I'm impressed.

    On topic. Doesn't make any sense. We could've kept Brissett if we wanted an inaccurate but mobile QB.
     
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    Do you have any evidence to back that up, or just more mindless hyperbole?
     
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    Politics aside. Whether you agree with Kaepernick or not, I don’t know why any NFL owner would want to deal with the headache he’d bring off the field. He’s too polarizing of a figure. He’d alienate a large part of any fan base. He’s not good enough to deal with that nightmare.

    Do I think he was black balled by the league? Absolutely. With that, he also just sued the league. Why would any owner want to sign a guy doing that? Equate that to real life every day jobs. You go sue your boss and see if you still have a job.
     
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    wow. just wow.
     

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