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  1. Deus Irae

    Deus Irae PatsFans.com Retired Jersey Club PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Whether I agree with the take or not, I can acknowledge that his actions can easily be argued to point to him wanting a starter role at starter money, and then responding sensibly to a perceived blacklisting. But the part in bold is all I was addressing. I don't think it helps either side of the Kaepenick argument to get the basics wrong.
     
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    I mean, what does viable starter mean? He posted reasonable stats in 2016. He had a couple very good years and then sort of faded. I don't think particularly highly of him as a player but he absolutely would've gotten a contract in 2017.

    I tend to agree he definitely doesn't want to play anymore as of 2019, but I also think that's because he knew he could extract a lot more money out of the NFL with a lawsuit than with a prove-it veteran backup deal. There's some chicken-and-egg stuff here; I suspect he would have been happy with a contract two years ago. The NFL did what it did, and he got paid. He never has to play football again. In theory, everyone got what they want, the billionaires just got soaked a little. Such is life.
     
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  3. LJRomanoff

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    That's not evidence of collusion and you know it. Even if Kaepernick isn't being hired solely due to his politics (unlikely but for the sake of the argument) that's easily a conclusion 32 front offices can come to independently without there needing to be a conspiracy to make it happen.
     
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    LJRomanoff Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    This is literally the opposite of collusion.
     
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    It’s a technicality that he opted out I will admit. The deal they gave him protected themselves if he turned into a pumpkin and he did and would’ve been gone. It’s one of those things that I would assume a lawyer could twist against him and if a judge has no idea how the league economics work then that could work against him. That’s moreso where I was going when I mentioned the optics.
     
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    Independently was in quotation marks for a reason. It's pretty clear 32 teams did not come to the same conclusion on their own given that teams have hired players with the same politics as Kaepernick. Blacklisting a player for their politics, regardless of the content of those politics, in a state-sponsored monopoly industry is a problem. [shrug]
     
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  7. AndyJohnson

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    Independent decision would not be collusion.
    If all 32 individually thought he was bad for business that is no different than all 32 thinking the thousands of players who aren’t good enough, aren’t good enough. Drawing the same conclusion doesn’t mean collusion.

    However the real issue was whether his attorneys could stack up enough coincidences and present them as not coincidental and won a collusion case where there was no collusion, which may be what you were referring to.
     
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    Had it not been for all the kneeling crap I think he would’ve gotten a shot to fight for a starting job. I think the sideshow killed those chances with teams not wanting to deal with the circus around him. I don’t think that is collusion I think that is more of a “this guy isn’t worth the trouble.
     
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  9. AndyJohnson

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    Krapernick is bad for business, a distraction and not good enough to be worth it.
    That’s easy for 32 people to agree upon without collaborating.

    Same as a guy who is really big but too slow to play in the league. Strengths but weaknesses that overcome them which are obvious to everyone. No meeting of the minds is necessary for no one to sign him.
     
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    Right, it effectively matters if I can force a settlement. Both sides knew it wasn't going to a hearing.
     
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    I think this vastly understates the amount to which NFL owners make decisions in unison. I don't think there really can be truly independent decisions about something like this, just knowing how the NFL functions. It just becomes a question of how involved and deliberate and documented the blacklisting was.

    Someone mentioned Ray Rice, who probably also had a good case that he was blacklisted, but whose blacklisting concerns me less because it's not a state-sponsored monopoly punishing political speech.
     
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    If the settlement is large enough there is no need for Kap to want to play in the NFL anyway.
     
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    That is assuming a lot because neither of us really know what happens behind closed NFL doors.
    I’m also pretty sure there are many owners who would have told the rest to F Off if they thought Krapernick could make them a winner, see Greg hardy as an example.
    I can meet you halfway though. I think the owners WOULD collude on this if necessary but none of them individually ever wanted to sign krapernick so it never got to the point of 31 putting pressure on 1. It is very reasonable that each individually didnt want the guy.

    I think rice was a case of the suspension eliminating any chance because by the time he could be signed he was a declining player who say out a long time.
     
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    If other players with similar politics were hired that suggests that Kaepernick wasn't blacklisted for that reason. It's pretty clear that on the whole Kaepernick was not worth a salary to 32 teams and it's not whatsoever unreasonable to conclude that every team made this assessment on their own considering there's been no evidence at all to the contrary.

    Also, the NFL is not a state-sponsored monopoly.
     
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    Rumor is $60-$80 million.
     
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    Imagine we won’t be seeing any bombshell report that ties all 32 teams to one singular agreement that ousts Kap.

    Maybe the league feared that a deeper investigation may lead to other, unrelated, and larger skeletons to surface, so they instead accepted this lump.
     
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    Kap stinks!
     
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    Believe in something... unless you take a multimillion dollar payout to shut up.

    Kaepernick has shown to be the fraud he is.
     
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    This. Can only imagine what a bunch or rich powerful billionaires are putting out there to each other. I’m assuming the league wants to keep a lid on any of the inevitable 50 non Kaep related headlines that would come from a trial.
     
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