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Triumph

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There can be only 1 General responsible for offense and 1 General responsible for defense.

The buck stops with them. If they screw up they answer to BB is the 5 star General with the desk as long as an aircraft carrier.

Out in the real world, the company doest appoint Bill, Larry and Joe in charge of the Penske file.
 

All3Phases

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How is it irrelevant when you stated that BB failed as a HC. There is a reason why Dan Synder is a loser. Its obvious why Jerry Jones hasnt won a Super Bowl in 27 years.

Bad ownership = losing
Good ownership = winning

Simple formula.
He was a HC who didnt have success his first time out but specialized on 1 side of the ball...thats kind of factual. Whether you want to blame it on somebody else or not. It wasnt a dig at Bill, just like it wasnt a dig at Josh.
 

Boomer B

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Not that either one could turn around the Lions or Giants, but having the overall responsibility for both the offensive and defensive game plans forces the maturation process. BB endorses them as well.
There’s a lot that goes into it though. I think BB at his age wants to be around people he likes/trusts. Patricia and BB are like 2 peas in a pod, they go everywhere together. Does that mean Patricia is a great football coach? I thought our D got better when Flores took over the play calling.

Then you also have to figure in salaries. With Patricia and Judge still getting paid from the Lions and Giants, BB can fit them in to his overall staff budget very cheap. Leaves more money to be spread around to his kids and others.

Both Patricia and Judge went into their Head Coaching positions with over inflated egos. Hopefully their failures knocked them back to reality a bit. I just hope that they are not here to be yes men to BB and will give constructive criticism. I’m all for relying on BB’s judgement but I am a bit worried going from Josh to one of these 2.
 

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There’s a lot that goes into it though. I think BB at his age wants to be around people he likes/trusts. Patricia and BB are like 2 peas in a pod, they go everywhere together. Does that mean Patricia is a great football coach? I thought our D got better when Flores took over the play calling.

Then you also have to figure in salaries. With Patricia and Judge still getting paid from the Lions and Giants, BB can fit them in to his overall staff budget very cheap. Leaves more money to be spread around to his kids and others.

Both Patricia and Judge went into their Head Coaching positions with over inflated egos. Hopefully their failures knocked them back to reality a bit. I just hope that they are not here to be yes men to BB and will give constructive criticism. I’m all for relying on BB’s judgement but I am a bit worried going from Josh to one of these 2.
Just a note, when Flores took over the defense went from 296 points to 325.
Of course the difference was that they faced the rams in the SB and BB came up with a great game plan that year while the eagles put together the perfect game plan against them the year before.
 

Triumph

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There's a world of difference between being an HC and an OC/DC, and that's not even counting how the orgs are ran. Detroit and NY haven't been glowing destinations for anyone as of lately.

Not to absolve them of their bad outings. But when tossing out this point, it's only worthwhile if you include the circumstances surrounding them, as well as acknowledge that being an HC is entirely different.
It appears that neither know a damn thing about offense. Surely Judge and Patricia were in on the direction of the offense.

Under Patricia the Pats defense was never worse than 10th out of 32.

2017 - 5th
2016 - 1st
2015 - 10th
2014 - 8th
2013 - 10th
2012 - 9th

Judge made his bones on special teams.
 

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1.) It's the dog days of the NFL off season....so I'll bother to comment here, LOL.

2.) WTF is all of this "Fat Matt" B.S.? Like some of you fools actually sport washboard abs behind those monitors, huh?

3.) The man was an engineer who turned down an offer from Westinghouse to work on nuclear submarines to work as a football assistant at Amherst.

4.) The man was our defensive coordinator for the Butler interception game AND the Houston SB where we held the Falcons' offense to 21 points...including two big stops by our DL after the Julio Jones toe tap catch.

5.) And most importantly of all...the man bravely wore a "Goodell Bozo" T-Shirt prior to interviewing for HC jobs. That will always endear Patricia to me!

6.) As for Joe Judge, yeah...not sure...I didn't like that draw play he ran last year on 3rd and long shortly before getting fired. But he's a football coach like Patricia is.

7.) Coaching on the other side of the ball or even as a head coach overseeing all units gives you an unique perspective on offense, IMO.

8.) It bears repeating, but in the past Belichick has explained how the Pats coaches and "GM" are all on the same headsets during games. BB is always listening to play calls in all 3 phases and can interject at any point. Heck, Caserio even did the same thing in Houston last year with Culley...Caserio was listening on game days all of his time in Foxborough too.

9.) Patricia/Judge's successes...or lack thereof...mostly had to do with personnel...not coaching. And BB would be the first to tell yall...it's the players who win.
 

Triumph

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He was a HC who didnt have success his first time out but specialized on 1 side of the ball...thats kind of factual. Whether you want to blame it on somebody else or not. It wasnt a dig at Bill, just like it wasnt a dig at Josh.
Again, the Browns were/are a bad environment for a Head Coach.

BB benching Kosar was because BB thought that was best for the team. The same way that he benched Bledsoe. BB had the Browns set up with 2 - 1st round picks in the next draft and the Ravens picked Ray Lewis with one of the picks. BB knew. BBs Browns staff had Saban, Groh, Shwartz and others who would go on to be HCs college and Pro. Ernie Acorsi was front office.

Neither Judge or Patricia have that lineage.
 

All3Phases

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Again, the Browns were/are a bad environment for a Head Coach.

BB benching Kosar was because BB thought that was best for the team. The same way that he benched Bledsoe. BB had the Browns set up with 2 - 1st round picks in the next draft and the Ravens picked Ray Lewis with one of the picks. BB knew. BBs Browns staff had Saban, Groh, Shwartz and others who would go on to be HCs college and Pro. Ernie Acorsi was front office.

Neither Judge or Patricia have that lineage.

You’re delving into a discussion I didn’t intend on having. I mentioned that just to say my uneasiness doesn’t lie with them being poor HCs, because we’ve seen others fail numerous times. But it’s the lack of experience/playcalling that would cause some worries
 
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varjao

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If these guys fail then we are looking at another turnover on coordinators next year and that's a crucial moment in Mac's development, not to mention I don't think this is a bad team, despite last year's disappointing finish. It's all about how teams play in December and once they make the playoffs anything can happen. I don't think we are rebuilding looking 2 or 3 years down the road. That's certainly not Belichicks DNA, they can and will compete right now.

That said I'd like to see BOB back, I'm not a big fan, I think he failed badly as a HC but he's got experience and his offenses here were not rocket science like Josh's. Brady is not running the show either so why not simplify things, the complexity of this offense has been a problem for years to the point it even affects draft and FA recruitment.
 

Wozzy

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Never seen so much consternation over coaching… and largely from the “BB only won because of the last QB” so coaching doesn’t matter much crowd.

Being a head coach is a world of difference from being a coordinator. The list of assistants who were great at their job but couldn’t cut it as head coaches is long. Maybe I’m in the minority but I didn’t see McD as being some genius, I thought some of his play calling choices were bafflingly poor or predictable.

I still see Nick Caley as a possibility and am pretty certain nobody outside Gillette knows who will be calling plays… it’s all guessing at this point.
 

*ChungFu*

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Back in the day when Matty P was working offense

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Fast forward to now.

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Massive amounts of knowledge and strategic acuity were ingested. The results are obvious.
 

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