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Our election system’s anti-minority bias is even worse than you think

Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by Patters, Mar 1, 2015.

  1. Patters

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    http://www.salon.com/2015/03/01/our...i_minority_bias_is_even_worse_than_you_think/

    Much of the extant literature has mainly been focused on voter ID laws; but Vandewalker and Bentele find that the strategy is actually more expansive than that. They have created an extensive metric that includes nine different measures of accessibility, including voter ID, absentee voting and same-day registration. They find that the accessibility of voting systems is negatively correlated with the share of the state’s population that is black (see chart). As the black population increases, voting systems become more inaccessible. The chart below includes all changes that were passed in the legislature; as of writing some of the changes were stalled in court.

    The study finds that between 2006 and 2012, the most influential factor in determining whether a law would be passed was Republican control of government. It also finds that the level of anti-black stereotyping in a state (a measure based on survey respondents’ beliefs about work ethic and intelligence) strongly correlates with the proposal (though not the passage) of voting restrictions.

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    Liberals think that Blacks are too dumb to:

    A) Get an ID
    B) Find out where to vote
    C) Be on time
    D) All of the above

    It is amazing how much Liberals think they need to hold their hands.
     
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    Making voting harder will result in fewer people voting, regardless of race.
     
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    Please elaborate on how any of the measures of accesibility are:

    A. Easier for white citizens.

    and

    B. More difficult for minority citizens.

    If fully healthy citizens find it difficult to acquire an ID, I'm perfectly fine with them not voting.
     
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    Minorities tend to be poorer, so tend to have less ability to pay for the busfare, the records, and the time off necessary to get voter ID. Some whites are hurt too, of course.
     
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    So it is in no way racially discriminatory . We agree. Thanks.
     
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    You're right. It discriminates against the poor, which achieves the same goal.
     
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    Nice try. Anything that requires an exchange of goods and services "discriminates" against the poor.
     
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    Yeah, but the poor white people can just get everything for free by using their white privilege card. It's better than American Express, don't leave home without it...
     
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    It's truly humorous watching liberals attempting to manufacture racism. I vaguely recall reading an article years ago about a study that found targeted sales of liquor in minority communities. I do wonder how that leftist reality intersects with the present one, where there is limited ability to obtain identification in minority areas. It seems all of these liquor store owners made extremely poor economic decisions. How were they supposed to know there was a minority community epidemic of limited access to ID?
     
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    R^2 of 0.213 is weak.
     
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    Of course you're right, but I'm of the one man one vote persuasion. Access to voting should not be determined by economic class. I think voting is fundamentally different from shopping in that regard.
     
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    I think you're trying to compare R values in science to R values that deal with human behavior. Human behavior of course has a vast number of variables. Explaining over 20% of the variation is quite significant, enough to influence an election. Imagine if you were looking at the effects of watching comedies on happiness. You would probably end up with a very low R value, since there are so many other factors to consider when it comes to happiness, but still the data could accurately support the premise that watching comedies contributes to happiness. This R value in the chart supports the premise that being in state with a large percentage of blacks contributes to the likelihood of voting restrictions.
     
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    Access to voting is not determined by voting class. The lowest income members of society have the exact same right to vote as the wealthiest. Voting is not an every day occurence. Every citizen has plenty of time to acquire ID. The manufactured difficulty (yes,for the poor as well) of this task is 100% myth.
     
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    I know that you social "scientists" like to keep saying that, but I am afraid that equations are agnostic to what type of data is being plugged into them. Without the error bars, we don't know if it is anywhere from 0-40% or 15-25%. The article you linked to did not even appear to have a link to the same study used to create that chart so I couldn't find any source data.
     
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    That's a fair point, but the chart is really not the only point the article makes. The article does cite a number of specifics.
     
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    Not sure what your evidence is, but having worked with the poor (not on voting, but on others issues), I know that they often don't have birth certificates, don't have the info needed to acquire a birth certificate (depending on the state), don't have bus fare to get to appointments, and don't have the same level of access to state and local offices that the middle class have. They are often in effect disenfranchised. You are right that they have the same right to vote, but they don't have equal access. Rights without access is rather pointless, but I suppose given the demographics of our country, the right wing really doesn't have a choice but to find ways to disenfranchise people and come up with a rationale for doing so.
     
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    They do have equal access. Just like they have equal access to food, going to the movies, buying liquor, etc. These people are adults, and they have plenty of time to acquire everything you mentioned. If they find that too overwhelming, too bad.
     
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