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BB has put hiimself in a tough situation. How can he fire any coordinator and keep Steve in his position after the worse defensive showing ever in the playoffs?
This is such a complicated answer, lol. First of all, I have not been as assiduous in the NFL as I once was, so I have to focus more of the internal problems right?Jay,
Agree with your para on McD....Is the team living too much in the past and it has now caught up with them. Think the questions has to be asked. I do not have the knowledge to argue either way but this should be part of the season review.
I wanna raise this discussion for you guys. I wanna hear your thoughts on this , and as much as angry as I am with the outcome of the game, Ill try to answer to your
baddifferent reasoning with a peaceful mind
We CANT stay with ALL OF OUR COORDINATORS.
Like, outside of football. This is THE CRAZIEST, BIGGEST, MOST FLAGRANT red flags possible. A "cornerstone" of the previous legacy, ailed by the son-of-the-genius-boss. Man. This is a recipe for absolute disaster.
Lets start with McD:
We gotta a Extremely succesful, legacy-setting OC, WHO HAS STOPPED INNOVATING IN YEARS AND HAS CLEARLY FALLEN BEHIND THE CONCEPTS OF THE MODERN GAME, running EVERYTHING on Offense. We are in a McVay/Shannahan-style life on offense, we need to work in Trips WRs, we need to put a lot of people in motion, and we gotta design play to put the ball in our playmakers hands (whoever they are). The fluidity of options given by the EP system is awesome. Its also outdated, when you are facing 6 DBS, and 2 LBs who can cover the whole field, and there arent any spaces left in the medium zone, where the EP is optimal. WE NEED TO CHANGE. Im not even dwelling into play calling, and I will even end on a higher note for Josh: He should be working exclusively with Mac. Good ol' Qb coach, as in the good days. Let the offense look for new blood.
There is not a world where I think its okay for this guy to be our DC. If Mayo leaves and he is retained as our top guy, I will be FUMMING. I hate the new forum search*, so Im gonna avoid trying to repeat what I said previously: WHAT DOES HE BRING TO THE TABLE? What capacities has he earned, except by being part of the best well-oiled machine in pro-sports for 20 years, in maybe ever? Stop and think about it. Everything he learned was IN-HOUSE. Does that mean that he isnt qualified? Of course not. BUT HE GREW IN A SYSTEM RUNNED BY HIS ****ING FATHER. Even if we disregard the most obvious, blatant bias that exists in nature (the family-bond), He is a guy who knows exactly what to do to be "well-viewed". Thats the killer of nepotism, he knows, literraly, the annals of whats good and bad, in the eyes of his daddy. Man... I can stress this enough... Ive worked with companies that literally went out of business bc of this
There, this is my rant. Im ready for 2022 season babyyy
*Sorry @Ian , I can never find what i need (and i could on the previous format), although its literally my only problem with it.
Dont know who you are, never saw u around, never talked to you@ JayNM
Ugh. I cannot stand fans who try and pass themselves off like they know the x's & o's, when it's clear they do not know anything; not even the basics. Don't pass yourself off as something you aren't. You toss around buzz words that you clearly do not understand and its completely obvious. Please stop. Sadly, you won't. So, put-up or shut-up. I'll be more than happy to nit-pick any play, video, illustration you want to bring up regarding what so new and special that NE doesn't do (Hint: NE probably does it too). This will be fun. Show me the video of the play/concept. Show me a drawing. Show me whatever you want. This will be a comedy of errors.
- Stopped "innovating"? Tell me what this magical "innovation" is? Show me a play? Anything. Show me how it works (you can't). You'll probably dig up some article that throws around vague/broad terms like "RPO" or "Zone Read." That's conveniently avoids specifics.
- "we need to work in Trips WRs" WHAT!?!?! Are you f'ing kidding me? You think Trips is something special??? I cannot even put into words how utterly laughable this is. But wait. Ok, I'll play along. What's so special or new? What's so new/different about trips in today's game? Draw it up or tell me what's new. (Hint: there actually is somewhat of a minor trend on how teams use trips, but it's very small and you won't know a thing. It's really not "new" either. Another hint: It's based on strong side vs weakside and who aligns where. Oh, and the Patriots have been doing it for well over a decade, before it became a trend.)
- "when you are facing 6 DBS, and 2 LBs who can cover the whole field" LOL!! In coverage, that's a 3-man-rush. Can you even count? Also, Defenses hardly ever show this personell; let alone rush three. When they do it either 3rd-and-forever or it's a prevent defense. Because, clearly, offenses will run the ball down their throats anytime they see that personnel. Wow, you really lack the common sense it takes a count.
- "there arent any spaces left in the medium zone, where the EP is optimal." WTF are you even talking about? This has to be your dumbest point yet, which is saying something. Seriously, I have to point out the stupidity on multiple level, here.
- Buddy, the "system" is just a language. You are actually trying to make it sound like the language dictates the scheme or play-design. Like once the playbook is written, there is no way to add something new. This is laughable.
- Also, you'd know this is you ever bothered to read playbooks (which woud require an understanding of basic concepts; which you lack). It's overwhelmingly the same stuff, but in a different language.
- No spaces in medium zone for NE? LOL, Hunter Henry's entire season has been been based on attacking defenses over the middle. Same as Gronk when he was here. Same as Gronk, currently, in Tampa (when Bruce Arians never did this before). You'd have no idea how it works. But feel free to google Jab 144 Ctr Hot, and get back to me. (Hint: Peyton Maninng has mentioned this in discussion with Brady)
- But ok, I'll play-along, tell me these imaginary passing concepts that open up the "medium zone."
??Yes. Absolutely. In fact, in an organization playing in this uber competitive league, with the amount of money that exists going around, If i was in charge, every year that we dont win a SB, id to do thorough investigation of whats' wrong. I dont think Im crazy here, even if its practically absurd
But I gotta say, I think you are a bit narrow on the perspective. Its not about this loss. There are fundamentally bad seeds growing in Foxborough, and letting them grow (more than already has) is dangerous.
In other words: A house built in bad fundations, dont ever stay fully erect
That means that we cant really roll with 5 WR sets, which is the norm nowadays. Additionally, our "bunch formations", which is how i call formations where Receveirs group together, like Trips (for sake of reference, this is what i mean, as an example, on where the receivers are set, Trips Left Strong 43 Delay | Youth Football Plays and Formations | Football formations, Peewee football, Football drills ) are EXTREMELY limited due to this personnel choice.
How is the rebuild slower?First of all, we need to remember that this is a team and coaching staff that had the GOAT at QB for 19 seasons (actually 18). After last year, they made atypical moves in Free Agency and landed a quality QB in the Draft. They started slow, looked good enough for a while to outperform expectations but had their weaknesses exposed at the end. The last five or six games have shown us that there is no quick fix.
I don't see them getting rid of BB and others on his staff (I just don't see the Krafts doing that).
But I do see them teetering on an edge. On one side is a slower than we'd like rebuild, replacing pieces on the field and sidelines within their cap constraints and being competitive but not dominant for the next two or three years before challenging for championships again. On the other side is a long slide into oblivion, reminiscent of the Steelers after Noll and Bradshaw and the Cowboys after Aikman and Johnson.
First of all, if you cant see the difference between ur approach and his, I gotta question your capacity the same way he questioned mine. Why? its not Football X & O fundamentals, its Humanity X & Os fundamentals. I know which comes first.@JayNM you can't get mad when someone goes after your post. It's a football board and debate will happen. I'm sorry but I read your post the same way.
You gave no real specifics or insight with respect. Just said things, that aren't true.
Like the EP being dated. 1/3 of the league are using it in some form. Same can be said about our scouting system. About 10-12 teams use it in some variation. It's not bc it's outdated.
Also the Pats were in the top half of the league in term motion at the snap throughout most the season I believe. Like 14 in the league around Nov.
It sounds like your problem is with the personnel bc Josh has done a fantastic job at maximizing this current group under a rookie QB. Both had clear ceilings this year and they hit them.
We should want more insight and detail here not less.
Gilmore? He was great but I would definitely not call him the best CB of all time for the Patriots.It’s a fair point, but we also had a few players that were the best to ever play their respective positions on the team. That can paper over a lot.
u sound mad.5 Wide Receiver sets? Or just 5 wide formations? Again, you throw around terms you do not understand. You say "personnel choice" so I'll assume you actually want teams to use 5 wide receiver personnel packages.
Also, the formation you listed below is an UNBALANCED FORMATION! This is just laughable. I bet you never even noticed. Look At the O-Line; two tackles are to the left, the X is right next to the guard. The Pats did this back in 2014 when they called "Baltimore !" & "Raven" and had a TE (Hoo-Man) catch passes despite being lined up in the position of a OT. Harbaugh whined about it.
- 5 Wide Receiver sets? This is a personnel package. And no team actually uses a 5 WRs at once as it would be a clear indicator, in the huddle, to the opposing D that 1) it won't be a run play. 2) It will only be 5 man protection (i.e. since no HB or TE to block). Also, defense would have no need for LBs. So, You'd be looking at two things...either the D will dial up exotic blitzes (no protection), or just play two deep safties (much harder to throw against) with DBs across the board. This is why you virtually never see 5 wide receiver personnel.
- Or do you just mean Five Wide? As in "empty" formations. Again empty there is no run threat, but teams use a RB and TE in the personell since where LBs line up will be an easy indicator of man vs zone. Put the RB outside and if a LB is on him, it;s man. IF the LB stays inside, it's zone. NE uses this ALL THE TIME.
There's a lot in your OP but I am one of the people who were against nepotism on the basis of nepotism alone fairly early in the season.Hah. I mean, doesnt my OP makes at least somewhat clear what i think?
In any case, no one knows precisely, much less a fan. They have a lot of heads there to find that out themselves. Its just not hide-able anymore that *it* exists
Talking about the offensive side of the ball (Brady, Gronk, Edelman). Best defense is a good offense.Gilmore? He was great but I would definitely not call him the best CB of all time for the Patriots.
In my book, he's battling for 4th position in that regard.
Who else am I missing? I can't think of a single guy who is possibly the best defender we've ever had at his position.
Maybe you're referring to a younger McCourty versus the old guy we have now? That would make sense.
Regardless, give Belichick players like we had 2 years ago, and I'm sure we'd be a lot better than this.
In that game we're referencing from Feb 2019, the offense was more a popgun offense. The defense dominated an explosive Rams offense. It really was a total defensive effort with the offense not doing much.Talking about the offensive side of the ball (Brady, Gronk, Edelman). Best defense is a good offense.