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  1. Actual Pats Fan

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    Favre=Vastly better
     
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    Tom Brady likes my program for the players. Plus he is careful and never steps on my tail.
     
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  4. Ice_Ice_Brady

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    Rodgers has two flaws.

    One is his lack of leadership that is incredibly obvious; it isn't just that isn't a good leader, it's that his teammates generally resent him. When multiple stories come out from former players, it's obvious this is just tip of the iceberg stuff. Guys who come through New England, no matter what happens - even if they are resentful of the Patriots organization for some reason - will universally express their admiration for Tom as a player and a person.

    The other is that he's overrated (though still a really good QB) from an efficiency standpoint. He extends plays that don't require extension, often resulting in sacks or negative plays. He often overlooks the easy gain to play hero ball. And he refuses to take necessary risky throws that may be intercepted at the end of games, due to not wanting to hurt his stats. It sounds ridiculous but was extremely obvious last year. Contrast Brady's record breaking streak of non-interceptions during a 14-2 season where the offense dominated with Rodgers pathetically low scoring output. He was criticized by many for putting his personal stats and accolades over the scoreboard and the team. It was very obvious.

    In general, Rodgers is just wired differently than Brady. He is insecure and a control freak. That's probably also the source of his greatness, though, so it's kind of a necessary part of the formula; is what it is. Brady also has a chip on his shoulder and is motivated by doubters, but he compartmentalizes it much better. Any person who would take Rodgers - everything included - over Brady is in fact an idiot.
     
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    Whatever I guess he's better than David Woodley.
     
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    We tend to make fun of guys like Woodley until they beat our team in the postseason with statlines like this:

    16/19
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    2 TDs and 0 INTs
    153 QBR
     
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    "There's stuff that not many people in the league can do at the line. That's not a humble brag. That's just a fact."

    Just as an aside, Rodgers needs to learn the difference between bragging and humble bragging.
     
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    It makes me appreciate the great job that Brady's parents and sisters did raising him.
     
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    Yea I don’t think McCarthy is a great coach but I don’t think he was the main problem in Green Bay either. Rodgers is pretty much uncoachable. He has the “smartest guy in the room” syndrome and basically thinks he should be the OC. From what I read he called the plays under the 2 minute warning. Must explain that ridiculous stat that he’s 0-37 trailing by a point in the 4th quarter against winning teams.
     
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    If Bledsoe didn't handle his demotion with as much class as he did he could have split the locker room in half and destroyed the 2001 team's success. But he didn't and I'm grateful.

    The biggest differences between Bledsoe and Brady were that Brady saw the field better, hit the swing passes to the RB's in stride and protected the ball better than Drew. It was clear to some of us at the time that Brady was the best choice.
     
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    Rodgers threw only 2 ints in 2018, yet GB only won 6 games :eek:. How is that even possible?

    If I told you there was a team in 2019 that had a top-10 QB, who played 16 games and had only 2 ints, how many games would you bet that team would win?
     
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    He threw the ball away quite a bit last year. I think his completion percentage dropped about two points. In addition to the throwaways he took way more sacks than he did in his last fully healthy season two years ago. There is no way you can watch him play and believe he isn’t fully aware of his stats and carefully protecting them so he can point to that when the blame for another dud of a season starts going around.
     
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    They allowed 25ppg with a crap pass defense and Adams is the only playmaker on offense.

    They are not a very good team.
     
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    Should I bring up the $80M check he got last off-season despite having two years left on his old deal? Couldn’t wait more than a week to re-take the “highest paid the league” title.
     
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    Yep and someone please explain why Jimmy Graham 2TDs last year justifies his 2019 $12.6m cap number because his blocking sure doesn't

    I can't see them keeping him at that #.
     
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    Brady went to the SB with the worst pass defense in NFL history.

    Brady went to the AFCCG with a bad defense and his #1 WR being a converted QB.
     
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    I keep repeating myself, but it bears repeating.

    If you look at a typical Rodgers season from 2010-present, a ballpark cost for Rodgers plus his three best skill players on non-rookie deals (insert combination of Nelson, Rodgers, Cobb, Adams, Finley/Graham/Cook) is usually around $55M. He usually has $30M cap hit, two $10M+ receivers, and a $5M TE. With Rodgers new contract it’s even higher.

    If you do the same thing with Brady (who I estimate himself on average at $25M, though that might be too high), Gronkowski ($8M), Edelman ($4M), and WR2 or TE2 ($3M), the number is closer to $40M.

    If you don’t think an extra $15M or so of cost-savings from the Patriots, who still have a better offense with Brady than GB with Rodgers, makes a big deal about defense and supporting cast, you don’t understand basic math.

    Brady produces more by using less cap resources. Rodgers produced less by using more cap resources. Of course this isn’t to say Belichick doesn’t make a noticeable difference, but I’d love to see a Rodgers apologist acknowledge this fact before crying about poor Aaron’s uphill battles. The Indy-Manning sequel.
     
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    Brady is better than Rodgers.

    Brady had better targets and coaching supporting him than AR.

    What are you arguing?
     
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    Are you talking Brady had better targets last year or overall? If you’re saying last year then I agree.
     
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    Yep just last year.
     
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