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  1. raduray

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    Or maybe Khan was making a statement to the audience that matters, the players.
     
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    Yea his name was in the tweet. I posted a tweet of his basically confirming it too a few days ago.
     
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    yup and even after they won the Super Bowl they never made it back to the playoffs because the roster just wasn’t good. Always seemed to get everything he could from his players. Once he left they became a disaster
     
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    I'm a nut & want to know, learn as much as I can but couldn't do it w HS ball. Not as corrupt as college/pros but close. How much stock can you put into a kid that just had a huge growth spurt dunking on a kid who is only playing bc his father is coach or just like sports & wants to impress some chicks.

    I'll look at names, who dominates or might have started late & go from there. Like you said most of these guys mentally are stuck between 16-22 & have to have their shoes tied & ass wiped.

    Can't put a # on it but I have to believe the pros are much, much harder to control as opposed to college kids. Like Saban said once they get paid 99% are playing & you have to make it work.
     
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    We are actually saying the same thing here. It’s exactly like running a business... because it is a business. You have to adjust for egos but in the end, you’re still managing personnel and different personalities. And just like in any business, you’re going to have some that are better at it (BB) and some that aren’t (Coughlin). But the fundamentals are the exact same. BB, for example, was a hell of a lot different with the 2007 team than he was with the 2016 team. Part of that is because he knows he’s coaching a different generation ala your second to last paragraph.
     
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    He probably thought Bortles would be even more expensive in a year lmao
     
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    Really? What statement do you think he was making to the players, given that he'd kept Coughlin until now? Is he shocked- shocked- to find that discipline was going on in there?
     
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    There was a story on yahoo yesterday mentioning that Fournette was fined $99K for sitting on the bench during a game that he was inactive..
     
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    You went to school with AB? Must have been weird to see how much this board melted down about him.
     
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    My first thought, too. "Oh, look -- another edgy, contrarian, "enlightened" view from Deus -- par for the course."
     
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    Lmfaooo. I read this too fast and read it as Jason was endorsing our gays again.
     
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    Fournette had a pretty good year with a terrible coach and old man coughlin. Never seen a team run into a 9 man box more than the jags under marrone.

    If McDaniels goes there and Minshew isn’t a flash in the pan, they could have an exciting offence.
     
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    Nobody is saying he is stupid, but he's dealing with a different generation (one that has grown up with social media all their lives) and hasn't shown any inclination to evolve.

    So the game is passing him by.
     
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    With Coughlin gone, I looked back at the top of the 2017 draft which featured Mahomes going at 10 and Watson going at 12.

    The nine teams that drafted before Mahomes were:

    1. CLE Myles Garrett
    2. CHI Trubisky
    3. SF Solomon Thomas
    4. JAX Fournette
    5. TEN Corey Davis
    6. NYJ Jamal Adams
    7. LAC Mike Williams
    8. CAR Christian McCaffrey
    9. CIN John Ross

    With Coughlin gone, it means of those teams only SF and LAC has not fired either their GM or Coach or both since this draft. And LAC who knows what the offseason will bring.

    There are consequences in passing up future MVPs, even if no one was saying that at the time.
     
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    He left with his mom to move to Miami when I was in 5th or 6th grade. His dad, who was the greatest player in Arena League history, was a substitute gym teacher and helped coach the football team at my high school during the offseason. I've heard rumors about what happened there and why Antonio and his mom left but won't repeat them (they are not flattering to Eddie Brown).

    I don't think AB had the happiest childhood but there was a lot of stuff in the media during the whole kerfluffle implying he grew up in gangland, which I can attest was very far from true.
     
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    I don't think the Giants players were very receptive to Coughlin's style and Michael Strahan convinced him to meet with a player's committee to go over their grievances. After that they went on to have success.
     
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    Yeah but he had like one good season from 2009-2014 lol. Coughlin was good, but I dunno how good he really was in terms of people talking Hall of Fame. He had a lot of mediocre seasons in there.
     
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    He had a good run with the expansion Jaguars too. I think he had them in the playoffs 3-4 years in a row and obviously that AFFCG. I'm not saying he's the best coach in the world, and it certainly could be argued the game passed him by, but he's one of 13 coaches in NFL history to win multiple Super Bowls and he turned some bad teams into playoff teams relatively quickly.
     
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    Yeah that’s true. Perhaps his poor ending shouldn’t tarnish his early years.
     
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