Patriots Local News:

SOURCE:NESN


SOURCE:NESN


SOURCE:Providence Journal


SOURCE:NESN


SOURCE:USA TODAY


SOURCE:CBS Boston


SOURCE:USA TODAY


SOURCE:NESN


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:USA TODAY


SOURCE:nhregister.com


SOURCE:hotnewhiphop.com


SOURCE:USA TODAY


SOURCE:USA TODAY


SOURCE:Yahoo! Sports


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:Pats Pulpit


SOURCE:WEEI


SOURCE:CBS Boston

Patsfans.com

Upcoming Opponent:
Next Up: Dolphins
Sun
Sep 13th

Current Patriots Twitter Feed:

NFL Free Agency/Trade Rumors:

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Joey007, Feb 17, 2020.

  1. scout

    scout Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    9,101
    Likes Received:
    361
    Ratings:
    +1,571
    Link that Thuney wants a home town discount? I have not read anything regarding contracts on Thuney.
     
    • Useful Useful x 1
  2. robertweathers

    robertweathers PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Messages:
    54,684
    Likes Received:
    13,272
    Ratings:
    +82,364
    How do you know the NEP want a huge hometown discount?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. ChrisR2223

    ChrisR2223 Pro Bowl Player

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2013
    Messages:
    13,657
    Likes Received:
    2,490
    Ratings:
    +13,467
    I feel like this could get crazy like trade Thuney Hightower Edelman Gilmore during the draft.
    And build a very young team
     
    • Like Like x 1
  4. DaBruinz

    DaBruinz Pats, B's, Sox PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2005
    Messages:
    34,991
    Likes Received:
    2,881
    Ratings:
    +13,728

    And just how do you know this? Are you Thuney's agent?
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Winner Winner x 1
  5. captain stone

    captain stone Pro Bowl Player

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2004
    Messages:
    18,780
    Likes Received:
    2,399
    Ratings:
    +10,114
    If they can get it, then why wouldn't they want one?
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. ChrisR2223

    ChrisR2223 Pro Bowl Player

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2013
    Messages:
    13,657
    Likes Received:
    2,490
    Ratings:
    +13,467
    Because BB doesn't sign any existing players with out a home town discount this has always been
     
  7. robertweathers

    robertweathers PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Messages:
    54,684
    Likes Received:
    13,272
    Ratings:
    +82,364
    Wanting one and someone saying they are expecting/demanding one are two different things.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,841
    Likes Received:
    2,693
    Ratings:
    +11,412
    I guess that you have a contact within the patriot organization. Otherwise, you could not reasonably make such statements.

    HOWEVER, I would agree that is extremely unlikely that we extend Thuney if the team wants a significant home town discount. And, personally, I do not expect Thuney to accept such a discount. I also think that it would be malfeasance for an agent to recommend accepting a huge discount. Of course, the decision is Thuney's to make.
     
  9. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,841
    Likes Received:
    2,693
    Ratings:
    +11,412
    Also "demanding" and expecting" are very different concepts.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  10. Elijah

    Elijah The Tom Brady Of Not Having A Gf PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2010
    Messages:
    9,605
    Likes Received:
    1,921
    Ratings:
    +13,591
    Pretty much this. I don't think the Patriots have ever held back from at least testing the waters about whether a player will take below market value. A "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" approach.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  11. Elijah

    Elijah The Tom Brady Of Not Having A Gf PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2010
    Messages:
    9,605
    Likes Received:
    1,921
    Ratings:
    +13,591
    Mankins and McCourty are just two examples of this being false.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
  12. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,841
    Likes Received:
    2,693
    Ratings:
    +11,412
    There was confusion, so let me be more clear.

    Say, a player signs with Team X for $7M of guaranteed salary and no incentives for his 2020 services.

    If the patriots offer the same $7M, I presume that the team believes that he fits in our system and is worth that amount to the patriots.

    QUESTION 1
    What are the chances that the patriots made an offer at a lower amount. Why should a player accept a lower amount?

    QUESTION 2
    Is it possible that the patriots offer the same contract? Why do you presume that the player should have signed with the patriots if the offers were the same?

    QUESTION 3
    Is it possible that the patriots offered more (they did with Karras)? Why do you believe that a player would automatically accept a patriot contract for more money?
    =======
    THE BOTTOM LINE
    There are lots of factors that go into what we offer a player, including perceived value and perceived fit.

    Also, there are many factors that go into a player's decision to sing a contract with a given team.
     
    • Useful Useful x 1
  13. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,841
    Likes Received:
    2,693
    Ratings:
    +11,412
    Yes, the team would be younger if we traded away all those players. Of course, it is unlikely that we would be able to secure players anywhere near as good. We would be accepting at least 2-3 years of failing to be competitive. But we WOULD be young. I understand that they add 2 games to your win total if you are in the bottom quarter of average age. NOT
     
  14. captain stone

    captain stone Pro Bowl Player

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2004
    Messages:
    18,780
    Likes Received:
    2,399
    Ratings:
    +10,114
    Yes they are...still doesn't hurt to ask however...
     
  15. robertweathers

    robertweathers PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2006
    Messages:
    54,684
    Likes Received:
    13,272
    Ratings:
    +82,364
    Absolutely!
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  16. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,841
    Likes Received:
    2,693
    Ratings:
    +11,412
    Posters can never know that the patriots didn't ask or that they did or didn't offer a deal, certainly not whether the team offered a reasonable deal.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Useful Useful x 1
  17. DW Toys

    DW Toys In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2007
    Messages:
    3,926
    Likes Received:
    422
    Ratings:
    +1,249
    Well dictated Cousin!
    DW Toys
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  18. DW Toys

    DW Toys In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2007
    Messages:
    3,926
    Likes Received:
    422
    Ratings:
    +1,249
    You know Cousins, I have thought about this. The world has changed.
    If I am Thuney's agent I am saying give me years and a guarantee rather than a lightning bolt $ now.
    Thuney is 27 years old now. It would be safe to say baring injury or a massive decline in talent, He could play until his early thirties. I'd give him 5 years at "X" with a guarantee and looking at things today, maybe his agent says take the deal. Actually his Franchise tag might not be unreasonable when we think back.
    Just saying.
    DW Toys
     
    • Useful Useful x 1
  19. mgteich

    mgteich PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,841
    Likes Received:
    2,693
    Ratings:
    +11,412
    Are you are saying that it is reasonable for the patriots to offer a reasonable 5 year deal with a significant guarantee.? Ok, I agree. However, why do you believe that the team will offer a deal anywhere near what Thuney can get elsewhere.

    I don't think that patriots believe (or will) that $15M for one year of the services of an OG is reasonable. We're not talking about $15AAV after all. If we didn't have Thuney, would we sign him for $15M on a one year contract? Of course NOT.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  20. goheels22002

    goheels22002 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2009
    Messages:
    8,400
    Likes Received:
    1,907
    Ratings:
    +8,049
    With the new CBA adding 4 players to every roster (two active roster and two practice squad slots), the Patriots will have all sorts of room to add linemen and quality TE to the current group. The new CBA is favorable to teams and doesn't really punish them unless a player outplays his contract by making the pro bowl or other awards.

    I think there's an excellent chance they extend Thuney and spread out his fully guaranteed $14,781,000 cap hit over two or probably three years by converting some to roster bonuses, and adding incentives. They always have % of offensive snap bonuses in their OL contracts. They need the cap space and I think it all depends on if they get their targeted players in the draft and what they do in free agency.

    If BB can draft two quality linemen plus a blocking TE in the first 4 rounds, the current group will be fine and be affordable under the new CBA, especially if Andrews can come back. The word is that he will, but it'll be wait and see how he fares in practice and the preseason.

    I think BB will go tackle with his 1st round pick. There are five legitimate tackles on the board, so one of them ought to be there at 23.
     
    • Useful Useful x 4
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2020

Share This Page

FORUM SEARCH: CLOSE
For searches w/multiple
players add commas
(Ex: "Bill Belichick, Devin McCourty")