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MORSE: Offense After Free Agency Spree, Kraft Disses Belichick, Pro Day Results
Mark Morse
The Patriots Free Agent splurge has filled in a lot of the holes in the Patriots Offensive roster. This has re-shaped the roster and before we hit the draft (30 Days), we have addressed a lot of the team's needs.

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MORSE: Offense After Free Agency Spree, Kraft Disses Belichick, Pro Day Results
Mark Morse
The Patriots Free Agent splurge has filled in a lot of the holes in the Patriots Offensive roster. This has re-shaped the roster and before we hit the draft (30 Days), we have addressed a lot of the team's needs.

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WFT changed their name.

 

[captain stone]

Thank you Mr Kraft for speaking the truth...The unabashed, unbiased, unfiltered Truth.

But you're wrong about Uncle Dugg, Steve...or have ye forgotten Antoine Winfield & Jeremy Chinn?

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Kraft is hoping for a happy ending.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Thank you Mr Kraft for speaking the truth...The unabashed, unbiased, unfiltered Truth.

But you're wrong about Uncle Dugg, Steve...or have ye forgotten Antoine Winfield & Jeremy Chinn?

Uncle Dugg is protected and coddled more than Harry. Dugger lovers (lol) will find stats to show how Winfield and Chinn were bad, but won't point out all the plays they made (Chinn made a lot of plays) which is something Dugger couldn't do. He played at a small school, but this era of NFL is much easier to break into than back in the day. He's a big boy and people act like he's barely played the game of football.

I expect a massive leap in his game and he should be pushing Phillips out of the way as the starting SS.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Thank you Mr Kraft for speaking the truth...The unabashed, unbiased, unfiltered Truth.

But you're wrong about Uncle Dugg, Steve...or have ye forgotten Antoine Winfield & Jeremy Chinn?

“uncle dugg”

LMAO

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Uncle Dugg is protected and coddled more than Harry. Dugger lovers (lol) will find stats to show how Winfield and Chinn were bad, but won't point out all the plays they made (Chinn made a lot of plays) which is something Dugger couldn't do. He played at a small school, but this era of NFL is much easier to break into than back in the day. He's a big boy and people act like he's barely played the game of football.

I expect a massive leap in his game and he should be pushing Phillips out of the way as the starting SS.

bb loves to pass up on playmakers with swag.

 

[dreighver]

Uncle Dugg is protected and coddled more than Harry. Dugger lovers (lol) will find stats to show how Winfield and Chinn were bad, but won't point out all the plays they made (Chinn made a lot of plays) which is something Dugger couldn't do. He played at a small school, but this era of NFL is much easier to break into than back in the day. He's a big boy and people act like he's barely played the game of football.

I expect a massive leap in his game and he should be pushing Phillips out of the way as the starting SS.

Can you share specific videos highlighting the "plays" Chinn made that Dugger couldn't? Can you be specific and provide evidence in lieu of using subjective terms like "made a lot of plays"?

Here's what I found per PFF, which is obviously a subjective process attempting to provide objective evidence - take it with a grain of salt:

PFF Ratings:

• Winfield - 67.1 overall ; allowed a reception 67.65% of the time he was targeted
  • Antoine Winfield Jr. | Tampa Bay Buccaneers S | NFL and PFF stats | PFF
• Dugger - 64.1 overall ; allowed a reception 73.68% of the time he was targeted
  • Kyle Dugger | New England Patriots S | NFL and PFF stats | PFF
• Chinn - 59.0 overall ; allowed a reception 74.55% of the time he was targeted
  • Jeremy Chinn | Carolina Panthers S | NFL and PFF stats | PFF

 

[dreighver]

bb loves to pass up on playmakers with swag.

He drafted Meriweather and we know how that went.

 

[dreighver]

If Dugger was playing behind that Bucs' front-7 he would've looked much better, both generally and relative to Winfield. Put Winfield on the Pats and I doubt he would've played any better than Dugger did. That said, if you look at the statistics the gap between the two wasn't that big.

Winfield is smart and instinctive but somewhat limited physically and struggled in coverage at times. During the 2020 season he was targeted 34 times and allowed 23 receptions. Dugger wasn't much better himself when it came to coverage, but he absolutely looked rock solid against the run and was a heckuva tackler. Physically Dugger's ceiling is much higher IMO.

I suppose the ultimate outcome of each of their respective careers remains to be seen but I don't understand the Dugger hate. He (to my layman's eye) looked pretty darn good and it's clear he's physically and athletically special. That's not to say Winfield is a bad player - he looked good, but just because Winfield looked good (again, at times - he struggled at times too) doesn't mean Dugger is bad, or won't be really good at some point in the future.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Can you share specific videos highlighting the "plays" Chinn made that Dugger couldn't? Can you be specific and provide evidence in lieu of using subjective terms like "made a lot of plays"?

Here's what I found per PFF, which is obviously a subjective process attempting to provide objective evidence - take it with a grain of salt:

PFF Ratings:

• Winfield - 67.1 overall ; allowed a reception 67.65% of the time he was targeted
  • Antoine Winfield Jr. | Tampa Bay Buccaneers S | NFL and PFF stats | PFF
• Dugger - 64.1 overall ; allowed a reception 73.68% of the time he was targeted
  • Kyle Dugger | New England Patriots S | NFL and PFF stats | PFF
• Chinn - 59.0 overall ; allowed a reception 74.55% of the time he was targeted
  • Jeremy Chinn | Carolina Panthers S | NFL and PFF stats | PFF

Here's what I'm referring to:

Chinn: 1 INT, 2 fumble recoveries (taking one to the house), 5 QB hits, 2 tackles for loss, 1 sack, 2 forced fumbles and 2 TD's.

Dugger....1 pass breakup and 1 tackle for loss.

Chinn has given up some plays, but as you can see he's made some plays. JC Jackson is similar as he makes a lot of plays, but he gives up plays as well.

PFF is becoming Jekyll and Hyde as I can find something that praises Chinn and then something bad about him. Ditto with Dugger and Uche as someone posted in another thread Uche graded right behind Chase Young despite him only have 9 total tackles and 1 sack on the season.