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Holy sh!t. It was even better than I expected.
Metacritic: 58/100 from critics, 9.2/10 from users
Rotten Tomatoes: 69% from critics, 92% from users
Isn't that interesting. Before, I'm still debating whether to see this in theaters or watch it a few months later at a friend's house or something, but now I'm leaning towards the latter.
The high users ratings are early returns reflecting fanboy affirmation bias. My sense from afar is that Phoenix puts in a great performance overshadowing an otherwise mediocre film. I'm curious about it but will wait for it on cable. I think the 69-percent RT critics rating is telltale.
I’m kind of a harsh movie critic, and the last time I felt this sure of an Oscar performance was 12 Years A Slave. There’s zero comic book/superhero movie cheesiness to the film, which is great since I’m not a guy who would waste time watching any of those movies. It’s a “short” 120 minutes with no lulls and an insane acting job by Joaquin Phoenix. He won’t be denied an Oscar for the 3rd time.
RT and IMDB are trending around 70%, but it’s much closer to the early 90s scores that we’re consistently seeing from all three sites (MC, RT, and IMDB). I don’t know why the Metacritic score is hovering a full 10 points lower, but my guess is that some idiot gave it a really low score and that’s bringing the average down. You should see it at the theater, for sure.
I won't say a Oscar sure thing, but it will be a big contender (movie, best actor, best director) .. Also 70% on rotten tomatoes is very unfair, maybe it's this low for the "violence controversy".
Great movie, even if you don't like superheros movies
Granted, Phoenix might be nominated but "big contender" for the best movie Oscar? You've got to be kidding.
Not necessarily. For example, the users hated The Last Jedi while the critics loved that pile of ****. My buddy saw it and said it was phenomenal. He’s the furthest thing from a fanboy.
You're right about The Last Jedi, but don't you think most people pay to attend a movie -- especially on opening weekend -- pretty much already sold and expecting to enjoy it regardless? I don't know if the RT audience rating continues to be updated but if it stays in the 90s I'd be tempted to see Joker in the theater despite feeling skeptical (might be a generational thing).
Not with superhero movies. They’re going to kill at the box office regardless because the majority of the population is familiar with the story. The same goes for Star Wars and other franchises that don’t have their origins in comic books. @supafly was the commentary about society pretty spot-on? And how do they portray Thomas Wayne?
Going to a showing tonight, super excited to see this one. I’ll come back with my thoughts after I see it.
Are you describing the AB thread?
I’m certainly not a fanboy by any means. As a matter of fact, I didn’t even see any of the Marvel or DC movies or whatever. I was just interested in this because Phoenix is such an awesome actor and it looked like a good film, so forgive me if I don’t know the whole backstory etc.
The commentary about society was absolutely spot on, and Thomas Wayne was portrayed as an arrogant bigwig who couldn’t have possibly cared any less about Arthur Fleck.
My wife and I are movie buffs who used to pay for the MoviePass card, allowing us to see as many movies as possible, so we’re the kind of people who see just about every single new movie on opening weekend, particularly in a year where good movies have been few and far between.
There were not so many great movies this year, can you name six, seven better movies? I think it will be there with other 3 movies (at most) to win it..
It was excellent. And I am not a comic movie fan. I will say this, if you didn't know anything about Batman or the Joker; and watched this movie, you would think you were watching a movie about a dude who progressively goes insane and paints his face.
In a very shocking and disturbing way.
What a great movie. I was drawn in from the opening scene and was hooked into the movie until the ending credits. Great story, great acting by Phoenix, definitely a must watch.
LOL, that’s what you’re watching. The Joker has never been painted this way before, though. Usually, he’s depicted as a gangster who is totally insane. This time, he’s depicted as an incel.
As you know, it’s a backstory, character development piece. The gangster comes later.
Phoenix did a great job but If I had it to do over I would not go.
Please share why (without giving away plot details). Was it a downer?
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