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Maroney

  • Yes I would pick Maroney he is a great back

    Votes: 55 26.2%
  • No I would not pick Maroney if I could pick again

    Votes: 52 24.8%
  • Undecided we have to wait and see if he gets better

    Votes: 99 47.1%
  • The O line is to blame

    Votes: 4 1.9%

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I'm not the type who salivates over skill players in the draft, I tend to think big, fast linemen and secondary players are the best bet, but hey... Look at this footage and I dare you to not get excited about this kid wearing a silver helmet.

Mute the sound though. That song is truly horrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FCfZoPGEFA

I watched the highlight reel and I did a count of the types of plays that were shown. Of the McFadden highlight reel plays shown 7 were inside runs (defined as runs between the tackles), 9 were outside runs, 1 was a kick return, and 3 were pass receptions.

Those who would claim that McFadden can't run on the inside or produce on the inside will be sorely disappointed if they are looking for that. In addition I saw McFadden deliver a couple of vicious stiffarms at the end of his runs. This guy is a big, fast physical runner that can run the ball for big gains both INSIDE and outside. He also looks to punish the defender at the end of his runs, I think that's a very good fit for what BB is looking for in a #1 RB.

Thank you for bringing him up and continuing to help discredit your arguments.

Please take the blinders off. Again you miss the point completely in your attempt to make excuses for Maroney. The point is not to belittle Faulk, he's a very good 3rd down back. But he's not better than Addai, and neither for that matter is Maroney.

Faulk has definitely had years where he outproduced Maroney in YPC, that stat that you seem to worship above all others, but that doesn't mean he should be the feature back for New England. Apparently even after that little lesson you still can't grasp why YPC is NOT the holy grail of RB stats. IT proves very little indeed. Otherwise Faulk would be carrying the ball 20 times a game because of that YPC number.

And of course you have nothing to refute the Barlow comparison. :singing:
Keep it coming!
 
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I'm not the type who salivates over skill players in the draft, I tend to think big, fast linemen and secondary players are the best bet, but hey... Look at this footage and I dare you to not get excited about this kid wearing a silver helmet.

Mute the sound though. That song is truly horrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FCfZoPGEFA

You're right, Grizz, it's hard to believe he's not everything he looks like.

Hey how many times do we have MSU and Auburn on our schedule anyway?

Sirrously... I like what I see, of COURSE... but again, this isn't against NFL talent.
 
I know, it's a guessing game evaluating college talent, but this is the SEC we're talking about here. And it's not all swing passes where he outruns small linebackers like Reggie Bush; this is between the tackles speed and toughness here. When he gets his hands on the ball he's a yard past the line before you know it...that is an instinct that you need to have in the pro game.

I've made my case, it's early to be thinking about it. I know Belichick isn't.
 
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Please take the blinders off. Again you miss the point completely in your attempt to make excuses for Maroney. The point is not to belittle Faulk, he's a very good 3rd down back. But he's not better than Addai, and neither for that matter is Maroney.

Faulk has definitely had years where he outproduced Maroney in YPC, that stat that you seem to worship above all others, but that doesn't mean he should be the feature back for New England. Apparently even after that little lesson you still can't grasp why YPC is NOT the holy grail of RB stats. IT proves very little indeed. Otherwise Faulk would be carrying the ball 20 times a game because of that YPC number.

And of course you have nothing to refute the Barlow comparison. :singing:
Keep it coming!

VJC, I musta missed your barlow point. But about Faulk and YPC:

He WAS carrying 20 times a game (well close) in 2000. I remember well, prior to picking up A. Smith, the idea that we could have a RBBC, with Faulk being first among equals, after the departure of Curtis Martin and the unfortunate hobbling of Robert Edwards. Then again, after more years of playing his role very well, he was the "main guy" for much of 2003... and ended up with 3.6 YPC. If he COULD carry 20 times a game and get 4.3 YPC, he would be the Pats' featured back (or if anybody on the roster could.)
 
Please take the blinders off. Again you miss the point completely in your attempt to make excuses for Maroney. The point is not to belittle Faulk, he's a very good 3rd down back. But he's not better than Addai, and neither for that matter is Maroney.

No, YOU miss the point. Faulk IS, in fact, a better 3rd down back than either Addai or Maroney. He is one of the elite 3rd down backs in the entire NFL. I don't have blinders about Maroney, you do. I understand perfectly well that he's not the best running back in the game. However, unlike yourself and the rest of the bleaters, I'm capable of grasping the situation he's in and realizing that the situation is one which demands patience regarding his future and his NFL ceiling, rather than knee-jerk judgment by a bunch of people who clearly don't understand the team they are watching this season.

Faulk has definitely had years where he outproduced Maroney in YPC, that stat that you seem to worship above all others, but that doesn't mean he should be the feature back for New England. Apparently even after that little lesson you still can't grasp why YPC is NOT the holy grail of RB stats. IT proves very little indeed. Otherwise Faulk would be carrying the ball 20 times a game because of that YPC number.

Again, I understand this all far better than you apparently do. Kevin Faulk has NEVER run for more than 3.6 yards per carry in the seasons he's had over 100 carries. As I pointed out, he gets worn out. He can't take the hits. If you had actually looked at the data rather than just trying to get a "gotcha!" response, you'd have seen that his season high for carries with a ypc over 4 is 54. Faulk seemingly cannot take the pounding. You never run with any stat in a vacuum, and that includes a season long ypc. Despite your assertion, I haven't relied only on that one statistic. I simply realize that the number of carries and touchdowns is a less accurate measure of a player's abilities once you've established that the player does meet a minimum threshold of attempts.


And of course you have nothing to refute the Barlow comparison. :singing:
Keep it coming!


There is no accurate comparison between the two along the lines you claim, so why would I refute it? Maroney's numbers haven't dropped (4.3 = 4.3), and the rest of your claim is even less accurate and reality based.
 
I'm still waiting for Maroney to get 20 carries. I'm not sure why so many people are so down on this kid. Last year he was a beast, this year (his second mind you) he started off injured, and hasn't been used in any consistent way. The guy has all the tools, I think he just needs the touches.
 
After reading this entire theard i have learned something that Danny, NSTroll, Grizzafted,, VJCPatriot are the true Maroney haters and all have still never answered what there expections are for a 21st pick, second year running back who as accully only played in 21 games.

and as for the POLL go ask how many teams now would pass 6 times on TB. it is a biased poll so you could chest beat. It's rather funny you deny it's for that purpose then proceed to do it several times. I could really careless if you post positive other place you Bash maroney and have had many threads about it. Both NSTroll and Danny have been called to the mat and neither as answered the call and now they are quoting Felger are you kidding f-ing Felger. First DR.Z then Felger. I think the last sentece says it all
 
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After reading this entire theard i have learned something that Danny, NSTroll, Grizzafted,, VJCPatriot are the true Maroney haters and all have still never answered what there expections are for a 21st pick, second year running back who as accully only played in 21 games.

and as for the POLL go ask how many teams now would pass 6 times on TB. it is a biased poll so you could chest beat. It's rather funny you deny it's for that purpose then proceed to do it several times. I could really careless if you post positive other place you Bash maroney and have had many threads about it. Both NSTroll and Danny have been called to the mat and neither as answered the call and now they are quoting Felger are you kidding f-ing Felger. First DR.Z then Felger. I think the last sentece says it all

Nice mix and match of posters facts and scenarios. You dont even know who did what and who said what. I started the orig glass thread long long ago. Since then I have not started "many"threads about Maroney. Total fabrication.

I have participated in several threads started by others about Maroney. In those threads I have not insulted anyone like people come at me. Look at the thread. Who is calling who morins and idiots? Not people like NSA and I. If so it is in self defense.

I get attacked , warned, and whined about because of one reason. I think Maroney is a avg NFL running back not worth his first round draft choice and HYPE he came with. People cannot take any kind of critasism on this website. Every pats player or draft pick is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

For that reason I get called a moron and have mods on this site starting insulting threads about me. Talk about a hypocritcal situation.

fact is if you dont swill the kool aid on ALL thing pats you get blackballed. Oh well!
 
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I'm a Maroney hater because I think he's not effective as a primary back and would be better off backing up a stronger runner? Excellent comprehension skills. In another thread I posted a detailed examination of production from 2nd year backs and why I feel Maroney is below the curve. We'll see what happens, I hope I'm wrong.
 
Nice mix and match of posters facts and scenarios. You dont even know who did what and who said what. I started the orig glass thread long long ago. Since then I have not started "many"threads about Maroney. Total fabrication.

I have participated in several threads started by others about Maroney. In those threads I have not insulted anyone like people come at me. Look at the thread. Who is calling who morins and idiots? Not people like NSA and I. If so it is in self defense.

I get attacked , warned, and whined about because of one reason. I think Maroney is a avg NFL running back not worth his first round draft choice and HYPE he came with. People cannot take any kind of critasism on this website. Every pats player or draft pick is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

For that reason I get called a moron and have mods on this site starting insulting threads about me. Talk about a hypocritcal situation.

fact is if you dont swill the kool aid on ALL thing pats you get blackballed. Oh well!

In defense of those who have attacked you and speaking as one who would fall in the undecided category based on the short duration of Maroney's career thus far, your "haters" are more a product of you reading something into your poll that simply isn't there. Point to one of your survey questions that asks participants to comment on Maroney's abilities and they will probably label you a Rhodes scholar.

Your questions are: "Yes I would pick Maroney he is a great back," (you are saying you are happy he was picked based on results) "No I would not pick Maroney if I could pick again" (the only question is "pick", no comment on ability level), "Undecided we have to wait and see if he gets better" (again on whether you would "pick" him), and "The O line is to blame" (results are not Maroney's fault).

No reasonably intelligent person would interpret the results as saying anything other than 73% of those taking the poll would draft Maroney or reserve judgment on the question, 25% would not draft Maroney (arguably just preferring some other player chosen after him in the draft based on two seasons of stats). Based on your survey, the participants may elect to choose another player. As any player chosen in the first, second or six round historically can have superstar status, there is no leap of logic that can produce any statement that a majority think Maroney is not good. That is why some of the veteran posters are giving you low IQ points.

If you want to draw an ability-based conclusion, phrase the poll questions "Maroney is good", "Maroney is average" and "Maroney is below average". If you are still happy with the poll and your interpretation of the results, crack a logic and argument text book and convince yourself why you will not be joining a think tank anytime soon.
 
You still have not stated what you expections are for the 21st pick, second year player who has played a total of 21 games?
 
You still have not stated what you expections are for the 21st pick, second year player who has played a total of 21 games?

We're actually just fueling the fire. Most of the attacks/responses are at the elementary "so's your mom" level. The basic inescapable fact of NFL life that's being missed here is that he is not, in fact, "underperforming" as a draft pick in the draft before last, at any pick number. He is just not knocking our socks off. He's doing okay. And okay isn't that much fun when you have Peterson envy.

PFnV
 
We're actually just fueling the fire. Most of the attacks/responses are at the elementary "so's your mom" level. The basic inescapable fact of NFL life that's being missed here is that he is not, in fact, "underperforming" as a draft pick in the draft before last, at any pick number. He is just not knocking our socks off. He's doing okay. And okay isn't that much fun when you have Peterson envy.

PFnV

I happen to think he will be great and i have seen flashes of it. He's just not there yet. I just really want to know what they will say. I am almost positive they won't because of fear of being shown up to the point that no one would ever listen to them again which is really what i should do but sometimes you can't help it
 
Grizzafted said:
"I'm not the type who salivates over skill players in the draft, I tend to think big, fast linemen and secondary players are the best bet, but hey... Look at this footage and I dare you to not get excited about this kid wearing a silver helmet.


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amazing talk about a contrdiction we need secondary help I am confused
 
Whoops, meant to put "offensive" skill players. Very good safeties and CBs are at a premium.

Edit: Ah now I see. You don't read. The rest of that post states that McFadden is an exception.
 
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I find it amusing how people cite Maroney's YPC as if it is some sort of ultimate "proof" that Maroney is a good RB. His YPC in 2006 - 4.3, in 2007 to date - 4.3. (http://www.nfl.com/players/laurencemaroney/gamelogs?id=MAR273311). To anyone that looks at the big picture, YPC is hardly the conclusive stat that determines the quality of a RB.

In fact there is a RB currently on the Patriots roster that has had better YPC numbers, Kevin Faulk. In 2002 with 5.2, in 2004 with 4.7, in 2006 with 4.9, in 2007 to date with 4.4. If you buy the YPC argument you would have to say that Faulk is a significantly better back than Maroney. Faulk, our 3rd down back is a BETTER RB than Laurence Maroney according to the numbers. But gee some of you may say, that's not fair because Faulk achieved that YPC with fewer opportunities on the ground. But aren't these the SAME people that claim Maroney is BETTER than Addai, it's simply a difference in opportunities to carry the football? Can't have your excuse, oops argument both ways folks! According to your highly touted YPC stat, Kevin Faulk is a significantly better RB than Maroney or Addai.
(http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/FaulKe00.htm)

Ok now that we've debunked that nonsense, let's turn to a comparison that is much more relevant, and concerning imo. That is Maroney vs Kevan Barlow. Barlow is very similar to Maroney because in his first few years he split carries with Garrison Hearst, the same way Maroney split carries with Corey Dillon. In addition, for his first 3 years Barlow had very good YPC numbers - 4.1, 4.7, and 5.1 ypc respectively.

The 49ers thought that they had their franchise RB of the future, much like we once thought was the case with Maroney. But when Hearst finally left and Barlow had to do it alone, his numbers suffered and he became such a disappointment that he was eventually dealt away to the NY Jets.
(http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BarlKe00.htm)

We see the same pattern with Maroney. He had a promising rookie year while splitting carries with Corey Dillon. But when Dillon departs and Maroney is asked to carry the load, he just has not been able to do it. Maroney's production is already on the decline. His numbers have been declining since game 7 of the 2007 season. Maroney has only reached the 70 yard mark ONCE in the last 6 games and he hasn't had a 100 yard game since game 3 of the season. That's over 10 weeks ago folks! The similarities between Barlow and Maroney are too close to overlook, and quite frankly they disturb me.

Another factor to consider is Tom Brady's health. With no legitimate running threat to hand off to, Brady has been getting mauled in recent games vs the Eagles and the Ravens respectively. I expect the Blitzburgh Steelers to give Brady the same treatment and load up against the pass, simply because they do NOT respect Laurence Maroney as a run threat.

Why do the Patriots need to wait until they finally lose a game or Brady gets his shoulder seperated before they buy some insurance at the RB position? They can do so as early as the 2008 draft. If I were playing it safe, I would buy protection ASAP to protect against a Barlow-like collapse from Maroney AND to make life easier for one Tom Brady.

Exactly. The Maroney fan club and PR team love to cherry pick the stats. Whatever fits their argument. The kid is MEDIOCRE. Bottom line. He's a nice backup running back or the #2 guy in a 1-2 system. That's it. It's ok, fellas, you can still be a Pats fan and NOT be happy with the play of one or two players. It doesn't make you a bad fan. For cris sakes!
 
How about KK for the dolts??? he has about the same ypc as maroney. Did they spend a first round pick on that stud?

Give me a guy with 4.3 YPC over 175 carries, and tell me how many nobodies you show up.

The cherrypicking seems to be all on the Maroney-bashing side. Hey guys, it's okay to give up. You're just wrong.

You guys tried this ploy with Faulk too, trying to pick out his high YPC years to make the comparison, but he's not the 1st and 2nd down guy, he's the one-down guy. We have two of his six years where they tried him at featured back of sorts, and he came out with 3.5 and 3.6.

So check it out: who's got the 175 or more range of carries, and has a 4.3 average? Check out the featured backs who've made the 4.3 plateau, and if you want to you can even quote the TD #s, since that is really where Maroney falls off. Then show me a guy from last year with even his "paltry" 6 TDs last year, and 4.3 YPC, over 175 or more carries... or even in that range. Bet you he's considered a going concern, not a footnote.

Dudes, you're just premature. If his performance declines, you've got backup. But I think it much more likely the trend goes the other way. Evidently, Belichick thinks that's likely as well.

We'll see how the brain trust looks at it. We know our guys keep it all very under wraps, so any of us can look like ***clowns very easily. Crowing on either side is not indicated.

It's unlikely that you'll be doing the crowing, by my lights. But I've been wrong before. (I get the feeling I'm the only one here who has.)

PFnV
 
Hmm. The fact that MORE people would not draft Maroney if they had the chance to go back in time, then would draft Maroney given the chance is a red flag alone.

Using your own logic we could say close to 80 percent of those polled are either against drafting Maroney or undecided. If you compare who would flat out re draft Maroney to who would pass on him the results favor those who would pass. Great attitude from the fans when talking about our "star" running back.


This is week 13 of year two. Maroney also got three extra games in the playoffs last year.Honestly how many more excuses does this kid need. It has been two years!!!!

Avg shelf life of a NFL back is 4 years. We are 50 percent there and almost 80 percent of people polled are against drafting Maroney or unsure.

Not good


Our opinions have always been valid. Only the kool aid swilling homers wont admit LoMo is under performing considering where he was drafted, and how coveted of a back he was. Dont choke on the red stuff.

Perhaps you could have a productive argument and people may actually be open to your opinions if you didn't act like an @sshole while writing them.
First, you repeat the same sentences over and over again. That is annoying. Do you think that if you say the exact same thing 50 times someone is more likely to agree?
Secondly, you consistently insult anyone who disagrees with your opinion in the middle of giving it.
Do you honestly think it is productive to discuss something by labeling anyone who has a different viewpoint than you a 'kool aid swilling homer'?
It is ignorant.
Finally, you find it necessary to tell everyone how right you are in each of your posts. "Our opinions have always been valid".
If you think you are correct, why would you insist on:
1) Repeating the same exact sentence numerous times
2) Saying that there is something wrong with anyone who disagrees with you. (Hint here someone who is right makes their argument rather than saying you are stupid if you dont agree with me)
3) Insist on telling everyone you are right.

There was a guy on this board, NEM, who 90% of the posters felt was an annoying jerk. Not because he was necessarily a bad guy, but because the way he posted was insulting, rude and ignorant. People ultimately either fought with him or gave up reading.
His typical post was:
"Charlie Weis sucks. I could do a better job than him, and everyone of you knows it. I am right, everyone else is wrong, and FU if you can't see what I see"
This is what you are becoming.
Whether or not your argument is any good, is overwhelmed by the fact that you appear to be trying to be an insulting jerk.

Do what you want. Perhaps you enjoy having people think you are a jerk. But if you really want to have a reasonable discussion, drop these lame tactics, and stop thinking that getting off a good insult on someone means you made a point in the argument.
 
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