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I never really looked at Fluties stats because I never felt like he got a decent chance.
If you're talking about pure throwing ability then I would agree Mahomes, Burrow, and Herbert are basically the same. I also agree Andy Reid is just tooling with defenses now... he's a step ahead of everyone right now. Advantage for Mahomes.
Oh well, you forced me into it.
Mahomes has one of the best, most talented and expensive offensive lines in the NFL. Burrows offensive line gets him sacked at a league leading pace and Herbert's hasn't much better. Herbert's defense was also ranked 20th in the league in points allowed, it's a team game. Not only is Reid the best offensive coach in the league but Mahomes teams are outright better... especially his protection.
So it's about everything else other than the QBs? You're just not paying attention.
No, it’s about the sum of parts…. team. Or what I preach constantly and what I’ve consistently relayed to you. I have never wavered.
Fanboys. Cheerleaders love the QB.
What rarely if ever changed was the high quality of teams around him for twenty three years. The result of the Patriots philosophy regarding pay scale and the cap, their ability to draft and find value free agents undervalued by other teams.
This doesn’t waver if I change “Brady” to “the Patriots” or if I change “Mahomes” to “the Chiefs.” You attribute team success to one individual player… like I said, cheerleaders love the QB. Neither of these guys blocked, played defense or special teams.
This last sentence is an utter load of sht.
If they end up on cellar dweller teams, or even average teams… they win zero rings.
BB drafted Brady, he developed Brady with Weis. He carried 4 QB’s on his roster before scuttling the latter two and by the time Mo Lewis injured Bledsoe, Brady a 6th round pick was second on the depth chart. According to Michael Holley’s book Patriot Reign written at that time, BB preferred Brady but Drew just gotten a 100 million dollar contract from Kraft and had the expectation to start. He wouldn’t have accepted losing much longer.
Not all parts are created equal.
Fanboys and cheerleaders don't vote for NFL MVP. Fans have a third of the SB MVP voting. Usually that comes out right though. Can you give me an example of a QB winning either MVP award when they didn't deserve it?
No, actually the teams changed substantially. Dynasty 1.0 2001 to 2004/2005. The team changed quite a bit before 2006. Then again, dramatically, before 2007. That version of the team didn't last very long either. By 2014 when they won their 4th SB the team was completely different again. How many significant changes from (and through) 2014 - 2019? A lot.
toilet bowles would have run every down if he could have. He couldn't, the running game was an abject failure in Tampa Bay from start to finish. Historically bad. An you think they should have featured it more... lol! Virtually every game they won this season, Brady pulled it off with nonstop passing from the no huddle. You didn't watch the games.
Of course it does. The essence of what I'm saying revolves around the QBs so you can't change that.
He played in a blizzard (and played great by the way especially given the conditions). Then he got hurt in the AFCCG. Right, 1 TD pass in SB 36, and a game-winning drive in a 3-point victory. This also was his first postseason. And he won the Super Bowl. Who has ever done that before? (Besides Brady and Warner.)
Brady and Mahomes have combined for 26 seasons, 24 division titles and 13 Super Bowl appearances. One season with a losing record (8-9) on a bad team that was poorly coached. There's not a lot of evidence for your "cellar dweller teams" theory.
You protecting BB's legacy. Here's what really happened... Brady was exceptional LUCK.
I don't recall any such shellacking. My recollection (and my opinion at the time) is Brady was the guy after the OT win over San Diego.
There are no facts in this statement.
Belichick's obviously not perfect, but you have to give him credit for his correct decisions.
Wrong to dismiss all the facts you just contradicted. Where does 'luck' fit into the equation: Patten knocked unconscious with his leg out of bounds (and they correctly call it). Tuck rule applicable and implemented. Our bye week conveniently fitting in with 9/11.
Watch out for deceptive statistics, like "The Patriots won no championships in their first 40 seasons" and "The Patriots won no home playoff games until 1996". Those examples conveniently ignore the team's success and the fact that most other teams were MUCH worse than they were their first thirty seasons.
Generally speaking, when the 199th pick turns out to be the greatest player in the history of the league, it's luck. I believe it's so rare that it's only happened once.
There can only be one "greatest player in the history of the league," so this is just trite nonsense.
There's nothing deceptive about the stat I posted. In three postseason games in 2001 Tom threw one TD, he also threw one INT.
This is just cryptic nonsense, who are you... Yoda? The only person trying to separate QB's from the rest of their team in this conversation is you.
Why? Plenty of people deserve it, mostly it's QB's who ever win it. Super Bowl MVP is much more impressive, even then QB's rob teammates for that award all the time.
What didn't change was the level of competence around Tom on those championship teams, I never said the names didn't change.
Did you say Vinatieri made one unbelievable field goal?!
Todd Bowles would have run every down if he could have... why couldn't he, he was the head coach? Oh yeah, because he just watched his predecessor get fired for insisting the offense run the ball and remain balanced.
Win/loss is a team stat, not a QB stat.
They only played on great teams. Brady couldn't elevate a bad Patriots team to the postseason in 2002... what happened? He was a magical unicorn in 2001 but his powers disappeared in 2002 before returning in 2003. The answer is simple... TEAM.
I don't have to protect anything, and I'm not. I'm less concerned with your take because of "Bill's legacy" and more because I didn't play the QB position and know for a fact your take is fanboy nonsense. Belichicks record when he retires is going to be what it is, the HOF isn't going to put an asterisk by his name because a QB he drafted decided to leave after two decades because his annoying wife was hounding him to move to Miami.
You were obviously a child in 2001 and can't remember much beyond the fact you loved Tom.
If I was wrong, you would have simply dispelled my assertion by providing your age, or a ballpark figure... you clearly were too young to remember much and didn't read many newspapers. I was on boston.com talking about the team as far back as the internet goes, you weren't there spouting this nonsense then... nobody was... because it's a nostalgic dream of youth.
After being drafted in the ninth round and given zero snaps by the Steelers, Unitas was working in construction and picked up off the sandlot by the Colts. He may still today be considered the greatest, even better than Tom.
I don't believe this. Not saying you're lying, it's probably printed or even quoted somewhere, but I doubt it actually happened.
You gave me Warner, who I already mentioned. And Unitas. There are not a lot of stories like those in the NFL. We're up to 3 in 102 years.
By who? I think literally no one considers Unitas to be better than Brady.
You can look up Rehbein, I'm not bothering to reference all of sports history, and I'm no one.
