Kraft Orchids Case - Prosecuters Want a Tug Rule?

[PatsDeb]

are you saying you "read" men's briefs???...kinky. I knew you lawyers were debauched...

There he goes again, Mr. Incorrigible. One of these days. Pow! Right to the moon!

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Well, I didn't read the actual brief, just the Globe's interpretation of it, so the Globe's interpretation could be flawed or misleading. However, arguing "we really need that evidence, so you should let it in, because this guy is super guilty." is just about the dumbest argument ever made, and shouldn't get you anywhere in a court of law, but these days everything is so whacky, it's hard to predict what will happen.

After three months, they are challenging the wrong part of the ruling. They could challenge that the surveillance should be allowed and that they did take measures to protect privacy. Instead they are challenging the backbone of the law, that evidence that was not obtained properly should still be admissible because they caught someone. Lol.

 

[PatsDeb]

After three months, they are challenging the wrong part of the ruling. They could challenge that the surveillance should be allowed and that they did take measures to protect privacy. Instead they are challenging the backbone of the law, that evidence that was not obtained properly should still be admissible because they caught someone. Lol.

If that's what they are doing, then they either have absolutely no clue what they are doing, or they know, deep in their hearts, that they have no chance other than to appeal to the "we can't let him get away with this!" sentiments. Any appeals judge worth his/her salt is going to laugh them out of the courtroom.

There are no great brains in this operation. As I said somewhere in this thread months ago, they could have taken steps to give themselves a chance: 1) turned off the video when there was a woman getting a massage; 2) turn off the video when there was a man getting a massage and it was clear that nothing criminal was happening; 3) immediately erase any videos of folks who did nothing wrong; 4) just say "no" to the media - it's a criminal matter and we can't taint the jury pool, when asked to turn over the videos. Instead (incredibly) they were all set to release all of the videos [including those of the innocent folks if I understand it correctly] to the media prior to anyone's trial, on some goofy right-to-know request by the Enquirer and that ilk, forcing everyone to run into court to supress the videos and causing themselves some (justified) civil lawsuits. THEY are the ones that lumped everyone together in order to score some big publicity points, and it backfired spectacularly on them. Of course, this doesn't even address how they were able to get incredibly invasive warrants [hidden cameras inside private property without the owner's knowledge or consent] on a mere misdemeanor prostitution sting (as Joker says, "Human trafficking!!"). It's such a sham, and such a shame as I'm sure there are human trafficking problems in FL, maybe even in some of these spas, but it was just handled so poorly. The more I think about it, you're right, it's like they don't even understand the rules of evidence, the right to a fair trial, etc. Prosecutors are often young an inexperienced (the hours are long and the pay is low except at the very top of the chain), so I wonder if that has something to do with how this has played out.

 

[mosi]

The parents of those lawyers should be so proud, they raised successful lawyer children. Their kids are now working on getting a * video between 2 adults released to the public.

Thank goodness we have these hard working Americans

And what should the kids of a man who PAID to get a hand job and potentially a blow job from some poor sex worker think of their parents? Defend the Pats but don't defend stupid ass behavior.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

If that's what they are doing, then they either have absolutely no clue what they are doing, or they know, deep in their hearts, that they have no chance other than to appeal to the "we can't let him get away with this!" sentiments. Any appeals judge worth his/her salt is going to laugh them out of the courtroom.

There are no great brains in this operation. As I said somewhere in this thread months ago, they could have taken steps to give themselves a chance: 1) turned off the video when there was a woman getting a massage; 2) turn off the video when there was a man getting a massage and it was clear that nothing criminal was happening; 3) immediately erase any videos of folks who did nothing wrong; 4) just say "no" to the media - it's a criminal matter and we can't taint the jury pool, when asked to turn over the videos. Instead (incredibly) they were all set to release all of the videos [including those of the innocent folks if I understand it correctly] to the media prior to anyone's trial, on some goofy right-to-know request by the Enquirer and that ilk, forcing everyone to run into court to supress the videos and causing themselves some (justified) civil lawsuits. THEY are the ones that lumped everyone together in order to score some big publicity points, and it backfired spectacularly on them. Of course, this doesn't even address how they were able to get incredibly invasive warrants [hidden cameras inside private property without the owner's knowledge or consent] on a mere misdemeanor prostitution sting (as Joker says, "Human trafficking!!"). It's such a sham, and such a shame as I'm sure there are human trafficking problems in FL, maybe even in some of these spas, but it was just handled so poorly. The more I think about it, you're right, it's like they don't even understand the rules of evidence, the right to a fair trial, etc. Prosecutors are often young an inexperienced (the hours are long and the pay is low except at the very top of the chain), so I wonder if that has something to do with how this has played out.

Note to self: "Self, don't ever get into an argument on laws about privacy or evidentiary procedures with 'PatsDeb.'"

 

[PatsDeb]

Note to self: "Self, don't ever get into an argument on laws about privacy or evidentiary procedures with 'PatsDeb.'"

My kids and my husband say the same thing!

 

[Triumph]

Looks like Mr Kraft is getting off.

 

[XLIX]

Looks like Mr Kraft is getting off.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Looks like Mr Kraft is getting off.

All rise

 

[captain stone]

Well, I didn't read the actual brief, just the Globe's interpretation of it, so the Globe's interpretation could be flawed or misleading...

The Boston Glob, owned by John Henry, the owner of the Red Sox, publish a flawed or misleading interpretation in a case involving the owner of the Patriots? Heaven forbid...

 

[n6249c]

That's one heck of a long time period to file an appeal (most of the time it's around 30 days). I wonder what happened? Motion for Reconsideration finally denied, maybe? They should just drop the case.

I told you. Election coming up.

 

[n6249c]

I don't know enough about FL politics to know how this would matter...Who is running for re-election? The judge? the DA?

Both are elected positions, so I assume both will be on the ballot. Not sure about term lengths though, that could stagger them.

 

[n6249c]

I guess the prosecutor is unfamiliar with the basic tenets of suppressed evidence?

Probably very familiar, just trying to ignore them as usual.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

If that's what they are doing, then they either have absolutely no clue what they are doing, or they know, deep in their hearts, that they have no chance other than to appeal to the "we can't let him get away with this!" sentiments. Any appeals judge worth his/her salt is going to laugh them out of the courtroom.

There are no great brains in this operation. As I said somewhere in this thread months ago, they could have taken steps to give themselves a chance: 1) turned off the video when there was a woman getting a massage; 2) turn off the video when there was a man getting a massage and it was clear that nothing criminal was happening; 3) immediately erase any videos of folks who did nothing wrong; 4) just say "no" to the media - it's a criminal matter and we can't taint the jury pool, when asked to turn over the videos. Instead (incredibly) they were all set to release all of the videos [including those of the innocent folks if I understand it correctly] to the media prior to anyone's trial, on some goofy right-to-know request by the Enquirer and that ilk, forcing everyone to run into court to supress the videos and causing themselves some (justified) civil lawsuits. THEY are the ones that lumped everyone together in order to score some big publicity points, and it backfired spectacularly on them. Of course, this doesn't even address how they were able to get incredibly invasive warrants [hidden cameras inside private property without the owner's knowledge or consent] on a mere misdemeanor prostitution sting (as Joker says, "Human trafficking!!"). It's such a sham, and such a shame as I'm sure there are human trafficking problems in FL, maybe even in some of these spas, but it was just handled so poorly. The more I think about it, you're right, it's like they don't even understand the rules of evidence, the right to a fair trial, etc. Prosecutors are often young an inexperienced (the hours are long and the pay is low except at the very top of the chain), so I wonder if that has something to do with how this has played out.

If I recall correctly, the documents submitted to the court really looked like a chess versus checkers match. The defense cited a zillion different cases and had a ton motions, discovery requests, etc. The prosecution appeared to be a tenth grader doing an internship. Basically just a short “here’s what happened” report. May have cited one or two cases.

It also got nasty with the defense threatening misconduct charges. One more reason why I must “go there” about Kraft/Antonio Brown and why he’s a schmuck.

 

[n6249c]

If I recall correctly, the documents submitted to the court really looked like a chess versus checkers match. The defense cited a zillion different cases and had a ton motions, discovery requests, etc. The prosecution appeared to be a tenth grader doing an internship. Basically just a short “here’s what happened” report. May have cited one or two cases.

It also got nasty with the defense threatening misconduct charges. One more reason why I must “go there” about Kraft/Antonio Brown and why he’s a schmuck.

So how does Kraft having competent lawyers and AB being a total incompetent trigger you? Sorry I just don’t see those two as having any connection with each other.

 

[patriot1136]

So what is the latest timeline on this? When can we expect any new developments or whatnot? I imagine this will continue to be a slow moving case .

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

Must be an election coming up, so the prosecutor needs the headlines. Or wants to make the judge look bad when he’s running for re-election.

Probably all Dolphins fans.
And I don't say that in jest.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

Oh snap. Just when Bob thinks he’s won a medal for ethics, look what happens. I
Can’t decide if I want Bob’s video released or not. Major shameful violation of our freedoms, but maybe then he’d step down from his new de facto GM role with the Patriots.

Wait until you read the ferocious defense from his attorneys threatening to attack the personal history of every witness and then look at his pathetic hypocrisy from those optics. Only thing missing will be a public Instagram picture of kids wearing nice clothes (who weren’t being threatened.)

He should attack them.
That's exactly what they are doing to him,.
Releasing that video, to the public, is being done for nothing more than to shame him.

I hope Kraft's lawyers go scorched earth on these holier than tho parasites.

I mean the guy had sex in what he thought was a private exchange. Give me a break.
Yes, it's illegal in some places, but that will never stop it.
Smoking pot used to be illegal everywhere too.

 

[Triumph]

Kraft could plead insanity as a last resort.

Never going to the barbershop, rolling with Rappers and Hip Hoppers, watching the game with Steven Tyler up in his box, wanting AB here, wanting AB gone. Trying to build a casino across from the stadium.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

So how does Kraft having competent lawyers and AB being a total incompetent trigger you? Sorry I just don’t see those two as having any connection with each other.

Which one actually committed a crime? Kraft is guilty as sin in reality though he will skate on a technicality. Brown did not commit a crime against his second "accuser," nor did she say he did. Acting inappropriate or hitting on a woman in such a manner may be distasteful to some but is not a crime. Regardless, Kraft illegally paid for a HJ; Brown basically asked for consensual sex and was turned down. I don't see how anyone is painting Kraft as the better of the two here.

Which of them used all legal means to protect themselves from accusations? Both. Kraft used extremely aggressive legal tactics of threatening legal misconduct, threatening to investigate all members of the task force, intentionally overloading a small DA's office with endless motions, etc. Brown has no legal recourse against his "accuser" because he's a celebrity and a libel suit is nearly impossible to win,, plus this is really a public image battle of character assassination; the only thing he can really do is attack her credibility, which is exactly what he said he was doing. Anyone who says those text messages were threatening to her kids is being disingenuous, as it was brought up that her kids did not look impoverished, questioning the credibility of what she had told him. If Brown's conduct was illegal, you can be darn sure she'd be pressing charges, but since it isn't illegal, she went to the NFL and Patriots. If someone is really threatening you in a criminal manner, is your attorney really going to advise you to go directly to their employer to complain about it? Of course not. You'd get a restraining order immediately.