Jets take a look at Hawkins

[Lansdowne]

Vic Green, Otis Smith, and Ray Mickens.Anthony Plesant, Bobby Hamilton, Rick Lyle, Steve Martin, Roman Phifer, Dedric Ward, Vinny Testeverde...not too mention Bellichek, Crenell, Weiss, Mangini...and others.

Who else am I leaving out that turned to the darkside after leaving the Jets?

Players change teams, what do you care were they go after your team cuts them.

I would say the odds are 50/50 that the Pats pick up a Jets castoff before they play one of there games,

You forgot former Jets 1st rounder Kyle Brady! We also have Pepper Johnson as an assistant, and had Bryan Cox and Jermaine Wiggins (thanks BTW!).

Here are some former Pats that went and played for the Jets:

Curtis Martin
Corwin Brown
Jerome Henderson
Otis Smith (though he flip flopped between the Jets and Pats twice)
Keith Byars
Ray Lucas
Dave Meggett
Mike Gisler
Tom Tupa
Vincent Brisby
Leonard Myers
Terrell Buckley
Ty Law (this one hurt, you guys suck!)
Matt Chatham
Bobby Hamilton (sort of like an Otis Smith situation)
Hank Poteat

Now possibly Artrell Hawkins!

 

[patchick]

How can Hawkins not be at least competitive with the 7th - 9th defensive back on the jets' roster? He has to be worth a look. We cut him early just so that he could have this opportunity. Many of of us would have kept him to the end in case of injury.

Absolutely. I don't think Hawkins is through, he and Miller were classic courtesy cuts.

 

[zippo59]

You forgot former Jets 1st rounder Kyle Brady! We also have Pepper Johnson as an assistant, and had Bryan Cox and Jermaine Wiggins (thanks BTW!).

Here are some former Pats that went and played for the Jets:

Curtis Martin
Corwin Brown
Jerome Henderson
Otis Smith (though he flip flopped between the Jets and Pats twice)
Keith Byars
Ray Lucas
Dave Meggett
Mike Gisler
Tom Tupa
Vincent Brisby
Leonard Myers
Terrell Buckley
Ty Law (this one hurt, you guys suck!)
Matt Chatham
Bobby Hamilton (sort of like an Otis Smith situation)
Hank Poteat

Now possibly Artrell Hawkins!

Don't forget Ray Ventrone and Tim Dwight.

 

[psychoPat]

You forgot former Jets 1st rounder Kyle Brady! We also have Pepper Johnson as an assistant, and had Bryan Cox and Jermaine Wiggins (thanks BTW!).

Here are some former Pats that went and played for the Jets:

Curtis Martin
Corwin Brown
Jerome Henderson
Otis Smith (though he flip flopped between the Jets and Pats twice)
Keith Byars
Ray Lucas
Dave Meggett
Mike Gisler
Tom Tupa
Vincent Brisby
Leonard Myers
Terrell Buckley
Ty Law (this one hurt, you guys suck!)
Matt Chatham
Bobby Hamilton (sort of like an Otis Smith situation)
Hank Poteat

Now possibly Artrell Hawkins!

Roster incest ... both ways.

That's a main reason why the rivalry is so entertaining.

 

[patsgo]

It looks like the Jets are taking a look at our castoffs again. No surprise here.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2007/08/jets_eye_hawkin.html

one mans trash is another mans treasure, i wouldnt mind mind playing a team that had most of our 4th or 5th string, i think thats a good thing im not bothered by it at all,

 

[captain stone]

http://www.newyorkjets.com/player/show_active_players/number/asc

After seeing what the jest have at DB, I think that Hawk could compete for the 8-9-10th DB, behind (by #) Dyson, Miller, Revis, Rhodes, E.Coleman, Poteat, and Washington. His main competition could be Eric Smith (if he stays at S) and David Barrett.

I, too, would have dropped Rashad Baker and kept Hawkins, as Wilson Injury Insurance.

For that matter, I would have kept Hank last year. We could have used him in the AFCC

 

[cstjohn17]

He was serviceable JAG who helped out but was also exposed. I hope they sign him and every other scrap heap defect we let go.

Tell me how you like these matchups:

• Hawkins versus Stallworth
• Hawkins versus Moss
• Hawkins versus Watson
• Hawkins versus Kyle Brady

 

[mgteich]

That's not the issue at all. How would like Rashad Baker Or Mitchell starting at free safety? Meriweather is cetainly not ready. Wilson will probably be fine, but I don't understand why Hawkins is not on our squad instead of Baker.

He was serviceable JAG who helped out but was also exposed. I hope they sign him and every other scrap heap defect we let go.

Tell me how you like these matchups:

• Hawkins versus Stallworth
• Hawkins versus Moss
• Hawkins versus Watson
• Hawkins versus Kyle Brady

 

[cstjohn17]

That's not the issue at all. How would like Rashad Baker Or Mitchell starting at free safety? Meriweather is cetainly not ready. Wilson will probably be fine, but I don't understand why Hawkins is not on our squad instead of Baker.

It is the issue, the Patriots cut him.

You can defer to BB for his evaluation, if Hawkins comes back mid-year after we lose 2 or 3 safeties then so be it. The Patriots looked at the potential backups at FS and felt there were at least 2-3 better options.

For some reason I think they have Sanders pegged as the backup FS. That will work for one game and then we usher in the Merriweather era at FS for the next 5 years.

Shocker - If Wilson is really banged up (will miss more than 4 games maybe he goes to IR and Hawkins is brought back in). Stay tuned.

 

[mgteich]

We took the same risk last year. We played with scrubs log gone instead of Hank in the playoffs. Hawkins will not be back. He is better than lots of marginal safeties around the league.

Sanders is just aweful at free safety. The answer if Wilson is injured, even for two or three games, is probably Randall Gay, with Meriweather and Sanders sharing the duties at nickel and dime back. The last couple of roster decisions will be made based on health. If Wilson is out for a couple of games, we could end up keeping James or Welsey.

It is the issue, the Patriots cut him.

You can defer to BB for his evaluation, if Hawkins comes back mid-year after we lose 2 or 3 safeties then so be it. The Patriots looked at the potential backups at FS and felt there were at least 2-3 better options.

For some reason I think they have Sanders pegged as the backup FS. That will work for one game and then we usher in the Merriweather era at FS for the next 5 years.

Shocker - If Wilson is really banged up (will miss more than 4 games maybe he goes to IR and Hawkins is brought back in). Stay tuned.

 

[cstjohn17]

We took the same risk last year. We played with scrubs log gone instead of Hank in the playoffs. Hawkins will not be back. He is better than lots of marginal safeties around the league.

Sanders is just aweful at free safety. The answer if Wilson is injured, even for two or three games, is probably Randall Gay, with Meriweather and Sanders sharing the duties at nickel and dime back. The last couple of roster decisions will be made based on health. If Wilson is out for a couple of games, we could end up keeping James or Welsey.

You could say the Safeties (Sanders & Hawk and then Baker) were the major weakness against Indy. Hawk seems like a good guy but he is soooooo sssslllloooowwww that if he takes even the slightest mistep the result is a 80 yard TD (see both Jets games last year).

Almost all the final roster spots are about health (I think you had a thread about this).

TE - Brady & Thomas
DL - Seymour
OL - Yates, Hochstein
Safety - Wilson

 

[Oswlek]

We took the same risk last year. We played with scrubs log gone instead of Hank in the playoffs. Hawkins will not be back. He is better than lots of marginal safeties around the league.

Sanders is just aweful at free safety. The answer if Wilson is injured, even for two or three games, is probably Randall Gay, with Meriweather and Sanders sharing the duties at nickel and dime back. The last couple of roster decisions will be made based on health. If Wilson is out for a couple of games, we could end up keeping James or Welsey.

BB would disagree with that statement.

 

[PATSNUTme]

Vic Green, Otis Smith, and Ray Mickens.Anthony Plesant, Bobby Hamilton, Rick Lyle, Steve Martin, Roman Phifer, Dedric Ward, Vinny Testeverde...not too mention Bellichek, Crenell, Weiss, Mangini...and others. You stole them from us before we stole them back from you.

Who else am I leaving out that turned to the darkside after leaving the Jets?

Players change teams, what do you care were they go after your team cuts them.

I would say the odds are 50/50 that the Pats pick up a Jets castoff before they play one of there games,

You forgot Pioli. They were being held hostage by the Tuna and then they returned home.

 

[Pats726]

Mangini I think is trying to get some idea about the defense..the general scheme as any game plan is removed by many days. Just to get a look see into what the Pats have...subtle things. Looking for scraps is interesting, but I am afraid that when u are looking at pieces of a puzzle that what might be close in one puzzle..might be far away from a fit in another. Mangina will have a tough season this year...and will get suprised big time in the opener. He's looking for anything he can to get any small advantage..keep looking..hands and knees in many sumpsters. he'll need it.

 

[mgteich]

Sanders is fine strong safety. I would have no problem with him starting there tomorrow.

BB would disagree with that statement.

 

[Gunnails]

Mangini I think is trying to get some idea about the defense..the general scheme as any game plan is removed by many days. Just to get a look see into what the Pats have...subtle things. Looking for scraps is interesting, but I am afraid that when u are looking at pieces of a puzzle that what might be close in one puzzle..might be far away from a fit in another. Mangina will have a tough season this year...and will get suprised big time in the opener. He's looking for anything he can to get any small advantage..keep looking..hands and knees in many sumpsters. he'll need it.

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I agree with the bolded portions of your post, the rest is just??????

I think Hawkins might be a good fit for game one because he is very familiar with the Pats receivers and routes, mite be able to offer some insights as to the Pats gameplan, audibles, etc.
But at first I found it odd because of the good depth the Jets have in the secondary. Then I came across this.
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"The Jets are said to be dangling cornerback Andre Dyson as trade bait as they try to acquire a veteran left guard to replace Pete Kendall. The 28-year-old Dyson started 15 games last season, but the Jets seem comfortable inserting Darrelle Revis at left cornerback despite the first-rounder missing 20 days of training camp as a holdout."
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Makes much more sense now why the Jets are looking at Hawkins.