Is 188 yards by the WR's terrible?

[mgteich]

1) We love what Edelman did? Brady was not as respecting. He yelled at Edelman a lot. Edelman had 88 yards.

2) The TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE kids had more yards than Edelman.
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3) The total receiving yards for the TE's and RB's combined was FOUR yards. Perhaps, we need to focus our concern better. The young receivers were pretty awful, but they couldn't be expected to be the whole offense, or even the whole passing offense.
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I don't expect our receivers to have much better 200 yards against Revis and company if no one else can catch the ball. The TE's and RB's were targeted 4 times for a total of 4 yards.

 

[Ring 6]

1) We love what Edelman did? Brady was not as respecting. He yelled at Edelman a lot. Edelman had 88 yards.

2) The TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE kids had more yards than Edelman.
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3) The total receiving yards for the TE's and RB's combined was FOUR yards. Perhaps, we need to focus our concern better.
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I don't expect our receivers to have much better 200 yards against Revis and company if no one else can catch the ball.

I know a lot of fans think Edelman was great. Some are saying he is better than Welker.
I see the biggest problem being that we threw too much to Edelman and got very little out of it. He needs to either be de-emphasized or we need to start sending him on routes that are effective if completed.
The biggest issue with the offense was they lacked trust in anyone else, so defaulted ot what Edelman could do, and he did it very well, and the offense stunk.

 

[Big-T]

Despite everyone getting on Dobson's back for drops (which until proven to be a recurring thing, I'll put down to nerves especially considering the same thing happened day 1 of the Senior Bowl) he had a pretty good game numbers wise despite all the drops: 3/56/1 and he was open all night, so when his hands are back he will be fine.

Thompkins seems to leave his feet too much to make catches when he doesn't need to do so (the diving attempt was almost a great TD and the dive was needed) but the dropped 3rd down against the Jets and the Lions pre-season game both came when he left his feet for no obvious reason (from what I can recall).

I agree with you on the TE/RB situation - Gronk is needed ASAP and losing Vereen is a big loss both will add a ton to the passing game.

They might have a bit more luck against Tampa though, yes on paper they have a good secondary but they play zone coverage most of the time so the receivers are more likely to find themselves in space.

 

[mgteich]

The strange thing is that we likely would have done better throwing to Dobson much more. And Boyce too, if he really belongs on the active squad instead of one of the JAG veterans. Surely, Jenkins or Hawkins or Underwood would have been targeted more than one time if one of them were on the active squad.

 

[smg93]

In today's NFL, it isn't terrible but don't fool yourself, it isn't great either.

 

[mgteich]

Not terrible, not great, just OK.

For example, the receivers for the Saints yesterday totaled 88 yards (less than half of the production of our receivers). The passing game totaled 322 yards, a normal day at the office. The difference, for them and for us, was the performance of the TE's and RB's.

In today's NFL, it isn't terrible but don't fool yourself, it isn't great either.

 

[BradyFTW!]

188 yards by the wide receivers because they were thrown to a ton. There are a million ways that you can try to rationalize it, but the simple fact of the matter is that they failed to catch a lot of balls that were put well within their catch radii, and didn't get great production even when they did make catches. It was a bad game for every unit on offense, but at least the O-line has the excuse that they were playing one of the most talented defensive lines in the league, the RBs have the excuse that the O-line was getting pushed around, and the TEs have the excuse that the top two guys were out.

We're only down one WR - should have been able to produce against a Jets' secondary that includes one corner that's better than league-average starter, and safeties who can't cover.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Not terrible, not great, just OK.

For example, the receivers for the Saints yesterday totaled 88 yards (less than half of the production of our receivers). The passing game totaled 322 yards, a normal day at the office. The difference, for them and for us, was the performance of the TE's and RB's.

If you remove Sproles and Graham from that offense, there will obviously be a production dip, but all of those yards won't just evaporate. A lot of them would go to the WRs instead.

In other words, if the Saints took the field tomorrow without Sproles and Graham, you can absolutely bet that their WRs would get a ton more yards.

The entire premise of this thread seems to be debating pointless semantics in order to ignore the real point, which is that our WRs, outside of Amendola and Edelman have been bad for two straight weeks. If the Pats want to be a top-tier team, that will have to change. I'm still optimistic that it will.

 

[supafly]

Not terrible, not great, just OK.

For example, the receivers for the Saints yesterday totaled 88 yards (less than half of the production of our receivers). The passing game totaled 322 yards, a normal day at the office. The difference, for them and for us, was the performance of the TE's and RB's.

I agree with what you are saying. If you look at the 188 for the WR's alone, then no--it's not terrible at all.

The problem as you said, is that no one else is contributing. They surely aren't going to target Hooman or Mulligan. Jeez--the 4 combined yds were probably on the target to James Devlin, so that should tell us the sorry state of affairs regarding the TE's at the moment.

We also just lost our main 3rd down contributor, who Belichick decided to put on IR exempt instead of waiting 3-4 wks max to allow his wrist to heal. Instead of getting him back in week #5 or maybe week #6 (giving him FIVE weeks to heal), we'll be getting him back for week #11. That isn't going to help, and I question that decision a bit.

If we can get Washington or Ridley involved in the RB screen game, that would help too.

 

[Deus Irae]

If you remove Sproles and Graham from that offense, there will obviously be a production dip, but all of those yards won't just evaporate. A lot of them would go to the WRs instead.

In other words, if the Saints took the field tomorrow without Sproles and Graham, you can absolutely bet that their WRs would get a ton more yards.

The entire premise of this thread seems to be debating pointless semantics in order to ignore the real point, which is that our WRs, outside of Amendola and Edelman have been bad for two straight weeks. If the Pats want to be a top-tier team, that will have to change. I'm still optimistic that it will.

/thread.....

 

[borg]

5 yds/ pass attempt. For those that think that is "OK"....congrats....you are the rare glass half full

 

[Ring 6]

5 yds/ pass attempt. For those that think that is "OK"....congrats....you are the rare glass half full

The offense was truly abyssmal in that game, but there were signs of hope.
-We didn't throw to a TE all day. When Gronk returns this will change, and the complexion of the offense with it. Same with virtually nothing to RBs.
-I am about as critical of Rex and the Jets as anyone, but if there is one thing they can do it is stop the run when they commit to it. His run D scheme and run fits are solid. They certainly tried to take the run away, and succeeded. Once the passing game gets back on track we will run better.
-Dobson was open A LOT. His 10 targets were justified and overall a good group of decisions. He will catch more. Given the routes he was getting open on 6/10 would be excellent. I can think of 3 off the top of my head that I expect will be catches going forward, unless Thursday was indicative of him being unable to catch a football. Those 6 would have netted well over 100 yards.
-Thompkins needs work, but if he ends up as the 4th WR, he has shown the ability to get down the field and get open. He is way too incomplete of a player to be a #2 right now, but has the positives to fit in as a #4.
-Getting Edelman more involved will hopefully lead to him seeing more playing time than he used to, in order to use his strengths, but on the field with other players who can be trusted so we aren't throwing 3 yards to a covered WR just to say we completed a pass.

Once again though, I will say, I'd be much more worried if we won these 2 games 51-50. After having the best offense in NFL history over a 5-6 year run, and not winning a SB, I am thrilled to win a game with defense, especially one that had to protect a 3 point lead, on 5 drives while the offense did absolutely nothing. I don't care who the opponent is, that is a huge aspect of a becoming a great team.