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I have probably been one of the most critical posters and hostile when it comes to Van Noy. I have said time and again him being a starter he is a bad sign. Even I will admit he played very well yesterday. I am still not on the Van Noy wagon but if he can string more like that together we will see.

Sorry to hear about your medical situation Ken. I will say though that medicine is advancing all the time and hopefully something can be done about the damage that was done to your body in the future.
Van Noy is having a very good season.
 

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The Pats have been moving the ball, I just think when they are ahead in 2nd half that they have their minds on running down the clock . They are not the aggressive team they were in the past. Dropped passes, penalties and sacks in the red zone and no JE. I think this came about due to the slow start of the defense this year. Trying to shorten the game.

Boston media.....what is the Pats record now?......1-7? seems like. Every postgame starts with "if" the other team had done this, or if they didn't drop pass or played smarter.... Before the game its always this will be the test, and then after the other team sucked that's why the Pats won.

Now its Denver, that will be the "real " test, you know if they win it will be Siemian sucks. If they beat Pitt it will be ..."well they always beat them" ditto the Bills...
That narrative continues all the way through the season, even if they win the Super Bowl. Think about our past two SB wins. It's always a debate of did the Seahawks/Falcons lose or the Pats win?

It's a stupid and boring question repeated on a weekly basis. There's not many games won where the loser doesn't make at least a couple of stupid mistakes.
 

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Much love to our ST Units for great, sound, efficient play this season!

Also:

“The Patriots are 4-0 since Matthew Slater returned from a torn hamstring. Special teams have obviously been a key factor since then.”

- Jeff Howe
 

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What being a big mistake? Firing a poor coach?
Every HC makes mistakes based on 20-20. hindsight But the fact is that given the roster he was forced to put out on the field this season, I think he's done a great job making that team competitive for the 7 of the last 8 weeks. So yes I think firing Bowles after this year would be a big mistake for the Jets organization. Which by definition is why it is likely to happen.

BTW- you ARE saying that Bowles is a bad HC? its not just sarcasm
 

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Van Noy is having a very good season.
I agree. Interesting that 2 of the more criticized extensions this off season were to Van Noy and Waddle. Now Van Noy is the rock of that defense, while Waddle has gotten significant snaps both on the Left and Right side this season.

Maybe after 20 years and more superbowl appearances some of ersatz GM's here might just concede that Bill might have an idea what he's doing. ;)

That being said, I do wish he'd gotten a bit more in the JG trade. Perhaps an additional 5th round pick this year or a 4th next year
 

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I agree. Interesting that 2 of the more criticized extensions this off season were to Van Noy and Waddle. Now Van Noy is the rock of that defense, while Waddle has gotten significant snaps both on the Left and Right side this season.

Maybe after 20 years and more superbowl appearances some of ersatz GM's here might just concede that Bill might have an idea what he's doing. ;)

That being said, I do wish he'd gotten a bit more in the JG trade. Perhaps an additional 5th round pick this year or a 4th next year
Well he essentially got hoyer too.

Hey, sorry to hear about your health issues, hang in there, hopefully it will work itself out.
 

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Well he essentially got hoyer too.

Hey, sorry to hear about your health issues, hang in there, hopefully it will work itself out.
Yeah, I guess so. BTW- A muscle relaxer eliminated the severe neck pain I was dealing with almost completely. I finally got some sleep and when I awoke today I finally felt the trauma to my legs. That's how bad the neck pain was.

I'm usually very good with pain. In fact the leg pain I'm dealing with is very doable. But I have to say, I've never been so uncomfortable with the pain as I was with this neck pain, and I played competitive lacrosse into my 50's. the fact that it's gone for now makes the rest much easier to deal with.

As for the nerve damage, I will know more on Thursday. Thanks to you all all those who have asked about my health.
 

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Every HC makes mistakes based on 20-20. hindsight But the fact is that given the roster he was forced to put out on the field this season, I think he's done a great job making that team competitive for the 7 of the last 8 weeks. So yes I think firing Bowles after this year would be a big mistake for the Jets organization. Which by definition is why it is likely to happen.

BTW- you ARE saying that Bowles is a bad HC? its not just sarcasm
Not that you asked me, but I’ve been a bit of a Bowles supporter for awhile. I say that understanding that they’re in a rebuilding process and that his hands are tied a bit with some of the front office moves. I liked the way he put the headset controversy to rest, and how he handled the ASJ touchdown overruling. He’s not a guy who makes excuses. He takes responsibility for his team.

He seems like a no nonsense type of guy who has the ability to gain the players respect, while also acting as a disciplinarian. He succeeded as a DC, and that’s where I think he belongs again. He may not be ready for a HC gig just yet, but I think there are plenty of coaches around the league who are worse.
 

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I am surprised that Bowles has gotten as much out of the Jets that he has.. most posters were thinking 0-16 before the season and most thought it was funny when they won a game, but there is a core there that might develop.. thought jettisoning Sheldon Richardson was the final nail in the coffin. Not that they are good, but better than expected..

Buffalo is somewhat similar, they dumped a lot of big cap number guys.. now they are starting to rebuild and they are 5-2 with a higher point differential than the NEP..

The AFC East seems to have gotten more competitive, then there is Miami a train wreck, where is Marino and Mercury Morris when you need them??.
 

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Feel better Ken - sounds like you've been through a bit of hell. I am okay with 6-2. This is just one of those years where every game is going to be tough and there will be no "easy" wins. Hopefully it will make the team tougher and more resilient. The thing that got me in this last game was stalling in the red zone. We are still lacking on short yardage plays, both in the run game and the passing game. Hopefully they will figure it out during the bye. Then Ghost's one-a-game doinks won't kill us (or even matter).
 
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