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Is Matt Patricia his successor then?
 

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Another way of putting it is Mayo does all the work of game planning and Steve takes the credit by reading Mayo's work from a piece of paper.
How do you know that Mayo does all the work and Stevie gets all the credit? Where are all the positive write ups lauding Steve Belichick as the next sensation? Stevie isn't even officially a DC.

The Pats defense is working and they are good, but somehow its racialist. The likelihood of Stevie Belichick following Jerod Mayos game plan verbatim is not good. Adjustments are always made like in the 2nd half of the Bengals game.

Cheat shot I know but the nepotism pisses me off.
Do you mind that Jerod Mayos brother Deron, works for the Patriots too in strength and conditioning?
 

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He seems to be in big demand by other teams, so there has to be something they see besides solely the "Rooney Rule"..
He is also a home grown talent, who knows the culture and expectations.. if not Mayo who then??
Certainly not Patricia or Judge...
I liked Brian Flores. Did some unconventional things at Miami but made the team competitive.
 

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It does seem a little soon for Mayo to be considered as a head coach. The next increment might better be a stint as full-on stint as sole, legit DC somewhere. Likely, given the nepotism, he would have to do that elsewhere.

Neither Bill, nor Steve, nor anybody else involved has done anything wrong. But Bill has. Putting two of your kids on staff is a flagrantly dumb idea, one of several in recent years, tbh.
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Fire Bill Belichick. Hire Brian Flores. Keep Jerod Mayo as DC. Rooney Rule complied with.

Happy now?
 

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According to Mayo, Little Steven is the play caller and he does the coordinating. Whatever that means.

It means a lot. There is a huge difference between being a play caller and being the "coordinator", especially on defense, where the defense that is called can become moot due to a formation, personnel grouping, or motions. It's the "coordinator" who has to prepare the game plan and account for these changes at the LOS. Now I sure that there is ALWAYS input from all the defensive staff, (and Bill will always have the final say on both sides of the ball), but in the end there is only one guy who has that final say.

I also think DI was right when he called Mayo the obvious leader of men on defense. It has been mentioned almost as soon as he had joined the staff that Mayo was a guy that players responded to, even as a rookie player.

Now as for him being an NFL HC, I think we should remember that left a highly successful career when he decided to leave it to become the low man on the totem pole as a rookie coach in the NFL.

When he was a player here he showed a clear LOVE of the game that went beyond just playing. He put in coaches hours off the field studying film long after his teammates had gone from Gillette. Given that I don't think he left the success he had after he retired, IF his ultimate plan wasn't to become an NFL HC.

It should be noted that his family is FIRMLY rooted here in MA. He stayed close (North Attleboro) even after he retired and all his 4 kids were born here. Now I guess family moves go with the job of being a college or professional football coach. You kind of know it going in. But making a move after more than a decade putting down roots isn't easy. So I don't think he'd pull up stakes for just a DC job. But then again I never thought Josh would move his family to the LV cesspool, so what do I know?
 

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Just a comment on all the talk about the Rooney Rule, and so called "reverse discrimination".

Here is the sad historical FACT, minorities have ALWAYS suffered from discrimination in this country even though the premise that "all men are created equal" was a bedrock of our founding.

EVERY great wave of immigrants suffered from from the Irish in the 1840's to the Jews and Italians in the 1890's. You can also add the Chinese and Hispanics and of course the Blacks who were taken as slaves and property. White men of power tried to sow the SAME fear we see today over immigration even though ironically economic BOOMS were often the result of these mass migrations, because new immigrants tend to work very hard for very little pay and add new consumers for other businesses. But unfortunately "fear" is an easy political take and a tried and true strategy for some politicians

All that being said, attempts at righting some of these centuries old wrongs with things like "affirmative action" and the "Rooney Rule" were necessary but IMPERFECT attempts at reversing some of the worst elements of the most obvious discriminations. Unfortunately these were necessary actions, but also come with the whole "reverse discrimination" claims from the group that wielded discrimination as a tool for the first 250 years of the country's existence. Things like "affirmative action" and the Rooney Rule are not always FAIR, but they are NECESSARY evils because simply chiding the majority to do the right thing simply didn't work.

Ultimately the GOAL of these imperfect attempts at reversing discrimination is that they become unnecessary and disappear from our lexicon. And overall, I'd say that we are getting closer to that point than we were 20 or 30 years ago, BUT I don't think we are there yet.
 
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I liked Brian Flores. Did some unconventional things at Miami but made the team competitive.
I also liked Flores, but Mayo is here and knows the players.. not that that is a big deal, but might give him a slight edge.
 

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Just a comment on all the talk about the Rooney Rule, and so called "reverse discrimination".

Here is the sad historical FACT, minorities have ALWAYS suffered from discrimination in this country even though the premise that "all men are created equal" was a bedrock of our founding.

EVERY wave great of immigrants suffered through from the Irish in the 1840's to the Jews and Italians in the 1890's. You can also add the Chinese and Hispanics and of course the Blacks who were taken as slaves and property. White men of power tried to sow the SAME fear we see today over immigration even though ironically economic BOOMS were often the result of these mass migrations, because new immigrant tend to work very hard for very little pay and add new consumers for other businesses. But unfortunately "fear" is an easy political take and a tried and true strategy for some politicians

All that being said, attempts at righting some of these centuries old wrongs with things like "affirmative action" and the "Rooney Rule" were necessary but IMPERFECT attempts and reversing some of the worst elements of the most obvious discriminations. Unfortunately these were necessary actions, but also come with the whole "reverse discrimination" claims from group that wielded discrimination as a tool for the first 250 years of the country's existence. Things like "affirmative action" and the Rooney Rule are not always FAIR, but they are NECESSARY evils because simply chiding the majority to do the right thing simply didn't work.

Ultimately the GOAL of these imperfect attempts at reversing discrimination is that they become unnecessary and disappear from our lexicon. And overall, I'd say that we are getting closer to that point than we were 20 or 30 years ago, BUT I don't think we are there yet.
A good barometer of this is when we stop qualifying an African American Coach by their color or when we stop qualifying a woman referee, instead of simply a referee. I agree there are baby steps but a long way to go..
 

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How do you know that Mayo does all the work and Stevie gets all the credit? Where are all the positive write ups lauding Steve Belichick as the next sensation? Stevie isn't even officially a DC.

The Pats defense is working and they are good, but somehow its racialist. The likelihood of Stevie Belichick following Jerod Mayos game plan verbatim is not good. Adjustments are always made like in the 2nd half of the Bengals game.


Do you mind that Jerod Mayos brother Deron, works for the Patriots too in strength and conditioning?
As I said I was taking a cheap shot and therefore not objective. As you said, I have no proof of anything about Steve's work or ability. That is what comes with nepotism - you are never sure if the person benefiting is actually competent or not unless you are in the middle of it.

I never said anything about it being race based and not sure where you got that. My comments about race were not about this at all but about the Rooney rule.

Finally - yes I am not cool with Mayo's brother either (was not aware of it). Nepotism is nepotism regardless of who does it. One massive problem in the NFL coaching ranks (which does not get attention for some reason) is it is easily the most incestuous working environment I am aware of and the nepotism is perpetuated by everyone regardkess of skin colour.

The point of fair employment rules in the work place is to avoid the NFL situation because, if left unchecked, everyone would just hire family or friends.

If curious, watch this and it will blow your mind how infested the NFL is by it.

 

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I liked Brian Flores. Did some unconventional things at Miami but made the team competitive.
Agreed but he also seems very inflexible. I did not like how he handled Tua his rookie year at all. It is a wonder he did not kill his confidence by benching him multiple times.
 

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Always found it so weird how college coaches are always distracted by coaching seatches in the middle of their bowl games and it is publicly talked about like it is nothing.
 

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I find it fascinating how much emphasis fans here put on coaching, in spite of the countless examples that show us that it's the players that decide the success of any team. Of course the coaches can make some difference but it's the players that have to execute.

As for the Rooney Rule, I think it's a great idea but it's being ignored by Goody and the 32. The good old boy network of coaches is only for whites and so is ownership.

What we have in the NYFL now is a modern version of slavery.
 

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This seems unduly harsh. BB certainly sets himself up for criticism and the optics are bad having family on staff. The practice is pretty common for long tenured coaches. The feedback from players on the Belichick kids is always positive, even from guys no longer with the team. Compare that with Reid and his kids...
 

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We're basing this off what Mayo says while Steve keeps his mouth shut, right?

Seems Mayo is just promoting himself to potential suitors. Not sure I like him implying he deserves most or all the credit though. Unless it's 100% true. Which... it could be, but we just don't know anything about it. Hard to judge.

I was just responding to Venecol’s idiotic post. It was very obvious what it meant.
 

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We're basing this off what Mayo says while Steve keeps his mouth shut, right?

Seems Mayo is just promoting himself to potential suitors. Not sure I like him implying he deserves most or all the credit though. Unless it's 100% true. Which... it could be, but we just don't know anything about it. Hard to judge.
Where did Mayo say all this so I can read it?
 

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I find it fascinating how much emphasis fans here put on coaching, in spite of the countless examples that show us that it's the players that decide the success of any team. Of course the coaches can make some difference but it's the players that have to execute.

As for the Rooney Rule, I think it's a great idea but it's being ignored by Goody and the 32. The good old boy network of coaches is only for whites and so is ownership.

What we have in the NYFL now is a modern version of slavery.
These poor, mistreated "slaves" make lucrative salaries and aren't abused.

Way to botch your own argument.
 

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These poor, mistreated "slaves" make lucrative salaries and aren't abused.

Way to botch your own argument.
Compared to other athletes with guaranteed contracts they are treated like slaves. How much they make doesn't matter.

What argument do you think I was trying to make?
 


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