Hey Browner, Work on Your Hips!

[shmessy]

Good stuff from anonymity granted scouts on espnboston.com today:


http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/

".....On where the Patriots could be vulnerable in the secondary:

"I think Browner is a penalty waiting to happen, so you have to get him in man coverage with a good matchup. There are a lot of tells when he's in his alignment, what coverage he's going to be in. If he's in a true man situation, with no help on time, he already opens his hips. He's turned. He's basically telling you, because he's afraid he can't get out of his hips. If he's protected somewhat, he'll balance you up. Those are some tells you can look for....."

 

[dales804]

Another reason it's helpful to have the bye and be able to self-scout. Anything these scouts might see, I'm sure the Pats coaches do, too (and then some). The secondary has been just fine all year, including Browner.

But, Josh Boyer is coaching him so that's probably why his hips are a tell. Bet that didn't happen in Seattle.

 

[luuked]

And once you know those tells as a player you can start screwing with the mind of the opponent by doing things on purpose..

Wish we'd hire some former coaches for a week (hello Rex) for self scouting.

 

[Gronkandez]

I think teams have taken shots downfield on him recently and he hasn't given them the penalty. I don't think the guy is dumb. On a forty yard bomb he's generally not going to face guard and swipe at the last minute a la Darius Butler. His penalties tend to be from holding in the 5-10 yard range from the LOS and these are only 5 yard (automatic 1s down) but not as painful as the PI.

 

[mayoclinic]

Browner is an extremely smart player. He is very physical and will get some penalties, and he doesn't have great foot speed, but he is very smart, and technically sound.

 

[Kontradiction]

Those hips are the reason why he can't play safety. Browner has his short comings but the provides to the secondary (press that's hard to get a release on, brute physicality) override the negatives (hip fluidity).

 

[patfanken]

Nice find, Shmess. Pretty well written and informative article given it was ESPN. It shows how detailed the scouting is in the league. One thing about "tells" though. If that scout knows about Browner's tells, then so do the Pats. One the best ways to win the mind game within the game is to use those "tells" against the offense. In other words show the "tell" then do the opposite. Once that happens, you;ve destroyed the offense's confidence in the scouting report.

So simply have Browner open his hips and then play zone, or "balance up" and then press his man. Do that a couple of times and the "tell" becomes meaningless. Stuff like this is why teams self scout.

 

[livinginthe past]

They noted that Antonio Brown has the elite ability to get open on broken plays - this is something I wish the Patriots WR's could do a little more often - those plays where Brady gets flushed from the pocket.

I think Branch used to be especially good at that - hopefully we'll see LaFell and Edelman do it a little more of that.

Ps That stuff on Brady is absolutely Rex Ryan.

 

[hwc]

We learned that New England cornerback Brandon Browner often tips off what coverage he's playing

Hardly top-secret insight. Or unique to Browner. You can tell man or zone with help coverage of any CB by looking at his hips at the snap.

In his book, Take Your Eye Off the Ball: How to Watch Football by Knowing Where to Look, Pat Kirwin describes how simple it is to tell what coverage any corner is playing.

It’s easy enough for a fan in the stands or at home to identify which coverage a corner is playing before the ball is even snapped. Just look at the hips of the cornerback: if his ass is toward the sideline, he’s playing zone.

Zone corners line up to the outside of the receiver, funneling him inside where the safety or linebacker can pick him up. Man corners line up inside the receiver and try to force him outside. They use the sideline as a second defender and try to lure the quarterback into throwing a deep fade or other lower-percentage passes. The cardinal sin in man coverage is a corner allowing the receiver to cross his face on the snap of the ball and get inside, which compromises the integrity of the coverage. That receiver is going to be open, and there’s no help coming from anywhere else.

Kirwan, Pat; Seigerman, David (2010-08-01). Take Your Eye Off the Ball: How to Watch Football by Knowing Where to Look (Kindle Locations 2316-2322). Independent Publishers Group. Kindle Edition.

BTW, for a textbook example of man coverage, look at the deep sideline pass to Sammy Watkins that Revis defended in the 2nd half of the Bills game. Routed him to the sideline (and eventually out of bounds) where the receiver had no prayer of catching a ball. That is Browner's specialty. His height makes it doubly tough to throw a sideline pass over him.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Still love me some BB in our secondary. Even Revis said he is the tone setter for that D

 

[skspikex2]

I still take Browner and his brutal jams and punishing hits. It set the tone on that secondary ever since he started.

 

[Wax Frog]

 

[Ring 6]

I think teams have taken shots downfield on him recently and he hasn't given them the penalty. I don't think the guy is dumb. On a forty yard bomb he's generally not going to face guard and swipe at the last minute a la Darius Butler. His penalties tend to be from holding in the 5-10 yard range from the LOS and these are only 5 yard (automatic 1s down) but not as painful as the PI.

Browner has had more bad penalties called on him than correct ones.

 

[patsfan-1982]

most of his penalties are contact after 5 yards and not the 20+ yard pass interference calls so I can live with it because he bring a physical play at CB that the pats have not had in a long time

 

[woolster22]

I think teams have taken shots downfield on him recently and he hasn't given them the penalty. I don't think the guy is dumb. On a forty yard bomb he's generally not going to face guard and swipe at the last minute a la Darius Butler. His penalties tend to be from holding in the 5-10 yard range from the LOS and these are only 5 yard (automatic 1s down) but not as painful as the PI.

That's also because he tends to ball himself out with the grab early if he feels he is beaten. I have no issues with that. Five yards is much better than a much longer spot foul or touchdown if he is beaten so bad he can't interfere...

 

[shmessy]

Good stuff from anonymity granted scouts on espnboston.com today:


http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/

".....On where the Patriots could be vulnerable in the secondary:

"I think Browner is a penalty waiting to happen, so you have to get him in man coverage with a good matchup. There are a lot of tells when he's in his alignment, what coverage he's going to be in. If he's in a true man situation, with no help on time, he already opens his hips. He's turned. He's basically telling you, because he's afraid he can't get out of his hips. If he's protected somewhat, he'll balance you up. Those are some tells you can look for....."

Thanks for the "Dislike", Belichickfan.


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[RayClay]

I'm fine with Browner getting aggressive penalties, but getting chippy ones because you've got your hands around the receivers face or otherwise or otherwise noticeable is on the player IMO.

I still maintain there are CBs that commit penalties all the time but don't look it and others that look it, even when there's nothing. I'd rather have the former.

 

[Seahawxx]

I don't know about hips but in Seattle due to his lankiness he would get on comeback routes often.
His deep coverage skills where good and so were his bubble screens defending skills.
He also did well on crossing patterns but like i said those 10 yard comebacks were his weakness.

Earl Thomas definitely helped him out way more than he helped out Sherman.