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Who falls at the Battle of Winterfell

  • Beric Dundarion

  • Brienne of Tarth

  • Davos

  • Edd

  • Gendry

  • Grey Worm and/or Missandei

  • Jamie

  • Theon

  • Sam and/or Gilly

  • Varys


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venecol

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1. Rheagal is killed during the battle of KL. Anyone could buy that watching her dragon/child die could have triggered a f*ck this reaction causing her to burn the city (much like Cersei’s trauma from losing her children). Killing Rhaegal the way they did was asanine for so many reasons. She could have torched the remaining living sht out of the fleet with Drogon (like she did a few days later, along with an entire city and army.). But worst of all they threw away the perfect setup for why she would lose her sht in the moment of battle.
I respect your take but disagree. First there is complaints about how rushed the season is but then we want the setup which occurred in the previous episode to all happen in one episode. Grey Worm was still looking for justice even after the torching of the City. The death of Missandei wasn't something that could be forgotten so quickly. Same with the dragon. The betrayals of her inside circle was also part of the setup. The face she made as she began torching the City was the exact same face she made after Missandei was beheaded. Finally, we now found out that she knew Tyrion had also betrayed her.

2. Her lust for the throne, essentially madness, leads her to torch the city for reasons that make sense. Cersei refuses to surrender and, rather than hide in the Red Keep, escapes to the city amongst the people to avoid Drogon. Despite the insane civilian cost, Dany justifies frying everyone in her quest. Believable and within her character’s nature...would still cause the same feelings from Jon, Tyrion, etc. Instead she actually risks letting Cersei escape so she can zig zag pattern KL for absolutely no reason.
The zig zag pattern was awesome effects. Again why rush it? Also, Cersei was witnessing the destruction of her City realizing the mistake she made. The tears flowing down her face as she watched the zig zagging were precious.

Bonus: the other reason the “insanity” angle is so dumb is because it’s sandwiched in between scenes where she appears sane. She is sane when getting turned down by Jon the night before and discussing her strategy. She is sane immediately after the city torching (even her face has returned to healthy looking and her hair normal again.)
With all due respect, you don't know much about mental health if you think insane people look and act insane all the time.

I didn't particularly like the last episode but I'm ok with the way the season evolved given it was only 6 episodes.
 

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****ing lame that nobody even mentions that Jon's the heir to the throne when discussing the next king. Like does nobody care that this dude if a Targaryen/Stark??
Why would anyone want the Targaryens back on the throne anyway? Their rule ended with Robert's Rebellion. Tyrion was the actual rightful heir because he has at least some Baratheon blood and isn't a bastard son, assuming anyone was interested in continuing primogeniture.
 

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With all due respect, you don't know much about mental health if you think insane people look and act insane all the time.
Respect the other way to you as well and appreciate your opinions. Obviously this is a television show and nothing like the Florida Laws we’ve been discussing, to put it in perspective.

I’m well aware of mental illnesses from personal experience. In my opinion the show did a terrible job of depicting a hereditary mental illness (if that’s what they were indeed going for) as a trope to make a lot of explosions and rush an underdeveloped plot line too quickly (as you alluded to, just a difficult challenge with the timeframe).

Physically she purposely was made to look like her gaunt, crazy eyed brother Viserys during the scorching. In the next scene, her hair is back to its pretty state, and she looks exactly like Dany again. What I’m alluding to is that this type of sociopathic behavior could be caused by circumstances alone, including isolation, paranoia, and grieving. It’s not that it’s impossible that this was a mental illness. It’s that in real-time, it was so undercooked that viewers weren’t buying it that she has just suddenly become an evil Targaryen after all she’s learned and tried to be for 71 episodes. And that’s on the writers and director to build a well-founded, credible narrative.

I think just skipping the Jon Snow scene entirely and having her offscreen the entire time would have been a better option. She sure looked different the night before. It was just hard to buy while watching in real-time, even if it can be proven intellectually.
 

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I've been thinking maybe I'm just being too picky here, but here's an update on the reception of the Season 8 and the finale. It looks like my perception is pretty consistent with the average viewer. I felt I came in with reasonable expectations, which was that it would just be high-quality though I didn't really care who got the throne, etc. In terms of plot holes, bad writing, I have a general rule of thumb that if it bothers/distracts me while watching in real-time, that's crossed the line. That's why I was fine with Season 7 despite a lot of Reddit criticism which I felt was nitpicky.

I've noticed that the GoT enterprise, including some actors/actresses, are trying to reduce the criticism to something simple like "they're just mad because their theory didn't come true, they didn't want Dany to heel turn, and they didn't expect Bran to be the King." Frankly, I think that's insulting to many people's intelligence. People just wanted the story to completed with the same quality, regardless of the ending, which would give some decent (we knew it would be somewhat rushed plot-wise) closure to an incredible series. This chart says it all:



And for those of them comparing this to a show like Lost or The Sopranos, where the ending was disappointing for simply lack of getting what you wanted, those show ratings in their final seasons and finales were just slightly below their typical other seasons. This chart shows just how absurdly horrible Season 8 was, and why GoT is really in completely unchartered territory.

There's bad seasons, and then there's this. Dexter is the only comparable show, though GoT had an unprecedented budget, colossal amount of resources, and exceptional ensemble, whereas Dexter was always just a plucky underdog, Look at the Breaking Bad arc!

 
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What a great show Breaking Bad was. It could really only end one way with Walter the main character. With so many different characters in GOT...everyone had their own preference with the outcome building up between season 7 and 8 ...it could have ended a dozen different ways...and understandably hearts were broken. I was careful not to expect anything...and because of that I feel it gave me an ending that was ultimately fantastic. I will forever be thankful for the amazing journey that was Game of Thrones.
 
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What a great show Breaking Bad was. It could really only end one way with Walter the main character. With so many different characters in GOT...everyone had their own preference with the outcome building up between season 7 and 8 ...it could have ended a dozen different ways...and understandably hearts were broken. I was careful not to expect anything...and because of that I feel it gave an ending that was ultimately fantastic. I will forever be thankful for the amazing journey that was Game of Thrones.
you have got to be kidding me? you thought that the ending was fantastic? lmao. I think you just cant bring yourself to admit it sucked. or maybe you are just easily pleased and entertained.i loved the show too but season 8 and the last episode were putrid.
 

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you have got to be kidding me? you thought that the ending was fantastic? lmao. I think you just cant bring yourself to admit it sucked. or maybe you are just easily pleased and entertained.i loved the show too but season 8 and the last episode were putrid.
I've previously made it clear I love season 8...episode 3 is incredible.

Episode 3: the buildup to this point..the intensity of standing there looking out into the darkness...the fear you could see on everyone's faces waiting....waiting. I don't know what to tell ya if you didn't feel that intensity...it blew me away. And then the charge with catapult firebombs flying over their heads....what an amazing piece of cinematography ! The charge into darkness...flames going out one at a time...absolute horror confirmed with those that could retreat. Every scene was absolutely terrifying and I loved it...over and over again.

I truly do feel bad for those that didn't enjoy season 8...I really do.
 
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venecol

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There's bad seasons, and then there's this. Dexter is the only comparable show, though GoT had an unprecedented budget, colossal amount of resources, and exceptional ensemble, whereas Dexter was always just a plucky underdog, Look at the Breaking Bad arc!

None of the other shows on those charts went past season 7 (except for Dexter). GOT rose just like the others from 6 to 7. Maybe the real answer is they should have ended it at 7. By the end of season 7 that show was so popular that everyone that had not watched it had to watch it. That's what I did, binged all 7 seasons in a month last summer. Most fans of the series were so invested and had to wait 2 years for the final series. It was bound to disappoint with such expectations and angst.

I wasn't that invested so I wasn't dissapointed. I mean we got to watch the Knight King die, the Mountain die, Cersei die, the City that laughed at Ned Stark's beheading got burned to the ground, Stark kids all live and succeed (even Jon), North is free again, Dragon flies away to freedom, Arya sails away to freedom, the midget became the true ruler as the Hand, the main favorite characters all survived. The Bran thing was kinda weird but when you analyze it, it was a pretty logical choice. They also came up with a new way of electing the ruler.

All in all everything worked out with a couple of teasers of things to come. Sure things happened really fast in 6 episodes versus the build up for 7 long years, so there were several holes and missteps (what where they doing for 2 years?).

I can see why some are disappointed but some of the reactions out there are way overboard, too dramatic (not referring to you IIB). JFC it's a f$%ckin fictional show.
 

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None of the other shows on those charts went past season 7 (except for Dexter). GOT rose just like the others from 6 to 7. Maybe the real answer is they should have ended it at 7. By the end of season 7 that show was so popular that everyone that had not watched it had to watch it. That's what I did, binged all 7 seasons in a month last summer. Most fans of the series were so invested and had to wait 2 years for the final series. It was bound to disappoint with such expectations and angst.

I wasn't that invested so I wasn't dissapointed. I mean we got to watch the Knight King die, the Mountain die, Cersei die, the City that laughed at Ned Stark's beheading got burned to the ground, Stark kids all live and succeed (even Jon), North is free again, Dragon flies away to freedom, Arya sails away to freedom, the midget became the true ruler as the Hand, the main favorite characters all survived. The Bran thing was kinda weird but when you analyze it, it was a pretty logical choice. They also came up with a new way of electing the ruler.

All in all everything worked out with a couple of teasers of things to come. Sure things happened really fast in 6 episodes versus the build up for 7 long years, so there were several holes and missteps (what where they doing for 2 years?).

I can see why some are disappointed but some of the reactions out there are way overboard, too dramatic (not referring to you IIB). JFC it's a f$%ckin fictional show.
I agree with a lot of this. However, because of the sheer number of characters and the large story scope, I don’t think the Season 7 wall was the issues here. In fact, many including GRRM felt the series needed 10 seasons to avoid a rushed ending. GoT was unique because of this and could have gone on a long time; most shows just have a handful of main characters, so after after, say, 4-5 seasons, you start to get some very stale plots and writing that feel predictable because you feel like you’ve already seen a variation of it.

Th showrunners should have done what was best for everyone, which is hand off the show to someone else so it could get the full 10, rather than selfishly reducing it way down and letting their massive egos lead to a caricature of an ending. They clearly mailed it in.

Others shows have been immensely popular and fans have had insatiable expectations, but see the comparative ratings charts above. The GoT collapse cannot be explained by that alone
 

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I'm not in the group that thinks the ending was rushed. Why? Because their is no beginning or ending. Bran is king...things go on regardless who sits on the chair, sails west, climbs a tree...or takes a dump. The moment we are born...we start dying with everything moving forward. Every season and every episode...things happen and sometimes their resolved in the same episode or in a later one. It's different then Breaking Bad...Walter was going to die and that's the end...but that's not the case with GOT with so many important characters to the series. Good and bad people died at the end and more will follow...life goes on somewhere.

The show was so good that it pulled people in and had a large emotional stake it in. Some felt entitlement...in that it should end the way they wanted. It's "tits and dragons"...don't sweat the small stuff.

Addendum: I realize my position on season 8 is not what some of you agree with. I don't want to piss anyone off...this is my last post on the matter.
 
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Addendum: I realize my position on season 8 is not what some of you agree with. I don't want to piss anyone off...this is my last post on the matter.
I wouldn't worry about that. I enjoy your perspective.

I enjoyed Season 8 on some level, as pure spectacle, and I didn't mind some of the choices in the plot, but it was obviously rushed without the usual meticulous care with which we've become accustomed. GoT peaked at the end of Season 6 in my opinion, and unfortunately the rushed last two seasons stood in stark contrast as a result.

I don't necessarily buy the IMDB ratings. All that tells me is that it was a divisive ending; it's probably a 7, not a sub 5. Kneejerk IMDB ratings have resulted in some skewed top 10 movies of all time, so I take it with a massive grain of salt.

For example, people blasted the **** out of The Wire for Season 5 with the whole journalist angle. Over time, people forgot about that.
 

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These 2 are so easy to hate but have been as consistent as they come w the D&D hate & trolling.
They know as much if not more than Martin about Westeros though. They must feel good rn.

Hopefully WoW is out early 2020
 

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So I finally binged Game of Thrones over the last few months.

Where to begin.

Season 1 and 2. A slow burn, but keeps you wanting more.

Seasons 3,4,5,6. Entertainment at its finest. Competing as one of the best shows ever made.

Season 7 - very entertaining, but the writing and plot lines a little off

Season 8 - what the f***??? HOW DID THESE WRITERS SCREW UP SO BAD!!!!

- for 71 episodes we watch and cheer for Dany, the liberator of civilizations, the mother of Dragons, ... and all of a sudden in the 2nd last episode all that is thrown away and she kills 100’s of thousands of innocent people? Who the hell thought that was a good way to end?

- for 7 seasons Jon Snow is fighting and warning everyone of the army of the dead, and he doesn’t get to fight the king, and instead gets chased around by a dragon? What kind of payoff is that? To top it all off he gets sentenced to live his life out at the Wall

- Bran becomes King? What the hell did he do? In the fight against the dead he sat there at the tree. His powers did nothing. He was barely even a plot point for many seasons.

- Jaime Lannister spent the whole series redeeming his character slowly and then threw it all away at the end. Mind boggling how bad that was written for him.

- the 2 main characters of the entire show, Dany and Jon, got crapped on at the very end

- the TV writers showed that without the books that they were completely overwhelmed. They just fumbled the ball at the 1 yard line. A kid in gr 11 creative writing class could have figured out a much better way to end the series
 

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So I finally binged Game of Thrones over the last few months.

Where to begin.

Season 1 and 2. A slow burn, but keeps you wanting more.

Seasons 3,4,5,6. Entertainment at its finest. Competing as one of the best shows ever made.

Season 7 - very entertaining, but the writing and plot lines a little off

Season 8 - what the f***??? HOW DID THESE WRITERS SCREW UP SO BAD!!!!

- for 71 episodes we watch and cheer for Dany, the liberator of civilizations, the mother of Dragons, ... and all of a sudden in the 2nd last episode all that is thrown away and she kills 100’s of thousands of innocent people? Who the hell thought that was a good way to end?

- for 7 seasons Jon Snow is fighting and warning everyone of the army of the dead, and he doesn’t get to fight the king, and instead gets chased around by a dragon? What kind of payoff is that? To top it all off he gets sentenced to live his life out at the Wall

- Bran becomes King? What the hell did he do? In the fight against the dead he sat there at the tree. His powers did nothing. He was barely even a plot point for many seasons.

- Jaime Lannister spent the whole series redeeming his character slowly and then threw it all away at the end. Mind boggling how bad that was written for him.

- the 2 main characters of the entire show, Dany and Jon, got crapped on at the very end

- the TV writers showed that without the books that they were completely overwhelmed. They just fumbled the ball at the 1 yard line. A kid in gr 11 creative writing class could have figured out a much better way to end the series
Dan & Dave basically admitted they were winging it & made it their own. They should have hired 1 or 2 ASOIAF nerds like Linda/Elio who knew as much as George. They hated the show but there's no shortage of crazy GoTs fans to dive into the material for them.

S7 is when things really turned. I remember reading the spoilers & saying "ok the plot doesn't move forward" lol. That said S8 was a 180 from previous years & just some big time **** ups. Dan & Dave isolated themselves to a degree & needed help with the material even if it ran out. They were always big on not wanting to be "the fantasy show" but ignored the obvious there. There was no way around it they were absolutely a fantasy show. Should have embraced that more.

S1-4 were as good as TV gets. Writing, directing, SFX, everything was amazing.

S5 was good not great. Some hate it but I don't think it was awful. We saw awful later lol.

S6 was unbelievable. Again great all around imo.

S7 was fun to watch but again the plot didn't move at all.

S8 was just a train wreck in every way.

Wasn't perfect from start to finish but peak GoTs was as good as TV gets. As good as entertainment gets.

It got away from them & again they basically admitted as much here. Very cool if you're a fan. I miss the spoilers, build up & just the show being around. Hopefully another great one comes around but don't want to be that invested.


 

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After putting some distance between the show and now, I see it a little bit the same as some others:

Seasons 1-4: Extremely great, a little bit of a slow burn at times, but still captivating in its attention to detail
Season 5: A bit of a step backward; it got a little too caught up on "shock and awe" moments...maybe too much hammed up Ramsey...not sure
Season 6: More or less outstanding. I've called Episodes 9 and 10 "peak GoT" and I stand by that.
Season 7: A slight disappointment and at times, forgettable. There were some great moments, but also a glaring harbinger of things to come (unnecessary Arya/Sansa fake out)
Season 8: Not good. I don't think I hate it as much as some people did, but I'm settling on a 5.5/10 for the season. Bran as king makes no sense.
 
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