Gronk
2nd Team Getting Their First Start
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Dan Bailey < --- Did you watch him this season?
Josh Brown < --- Admitted abusive husband, will never play in this league again
Justin Tucker < --- Not available
Billy Cundiff < --- 2011 AFC champ game, LOL, you talk about Ghost and then mention him.
I never said Gostkowski cost us the Super Bowl in 2015. I said that missed kick hurt the Patriots in that game, much more so than you care to admit.
This thread isn't about Brady, and I am not getting into a strawman argument about Brady or anybody else. You want to discuss that, start a thread about it. Good Luck with it.
Every XP that has ever been attempted in history should have been made. Now name the kicker that never missed one.
You ****ing jumped into a discussion and defended people who literally wrote it was Ghost who cost us a trip to the SB.
This is no straw man but you either not being aware of the context you are barging in or more maybe just moving the goalposts because you realized your argument is too reductive and flawed.
Next time maybe check more posts upstream before kneejerking into a discussion.
And you havent been using a strawman argument? Bull Effing Shat. You started one as soon as you possibly could. As soon as you dropped Brady into the conversation about a kicker it became the definition of a strawman argument.
Aw man
I heard this guy sucks
I guess this is bad
So someone pointing out that Tom Brady's interception probably cost the team a loss more than a missed XP did is a "strawman?" Sounds like just a fact to me.
And you coming in here claiming victim now isnt going to work either. Where has everyone **** all over you? Pointing out how gost isnt as responsible for a loss and pointing out your terrible argument is **** all over you?
Your claims in this thread are the problem. When you start claiming that a bunch of kickers have never missed a PAT and you use all the guys who kicked PAT's from the 2 yard line to compare to Gost misses it brings a lot of negative attention to yourself.
Then you post this list (with a posters response in bold) which I guess are supposed to be Kickers you would prefer over Gost. This diddnt help your cause either.
Connor Barth < --- Dude sucks
Dan Bailey < --- Did you watch him this season?
Josh Brown < --- Admitted abusive husband, will never play in this league again
Justin Tucker < --- Not available
Billy Cundiff < --- 2011 AFC champ game, LOL, you talk about Ghost and then mention him.
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I believe Gostowski missed a field goal end of Ravens 33-14 wild card win, would have give them a slimmer of hope but didn't matter much.At the same time, if every kick in the playoffs is big, do you really want to cut ties with Gostkowski a year early and find out our new kicker is terrible when our season is on the line in the playoffs? (I believe Gostkowski has never missed a kick in the 4th quarter of a playoff game, if I'm mistaken, let me know)
The Bucs drafted the 3rd best K in NCAA history a couple years back and he was the worst kicker in the league.
That's only a list of guys who were kicking after the changes to the xp in 2015. But hey, why let that stand in your way of a good self righteous rant, right? Did I ever say I wanted any of these guys? Even hint at it? Nope. Go back an look, I know you are going to. Prove me wrong.
My claims in this thread amount to this: Gostkowski missing kicks in big games is a problem and has hurt this team. Get it? Tell me you don't think that those missed kicks are an issue. Or is it something that we can forgive him for because other people make mistakes too? What the hell is wrong with calling a player out for making a mistake or two or ten? Nothing.
And hell yes dropping another player into the discussion, saying that their mistakes were even worse is the Definition of a Strawman Argument. Don't look at what player A did because Player B is even worse ... Really man, you going to take a run at me on that one? pfff... good luck with that.
Yeah I guess that's a statistical fact, apparently. It is comforting to keep another established, reliable player to solidify special teams. Gost rarely shanks one, and obviously Belichick trusts him.The best kicker we've ever had has come back. I don't know about some of you but I'm as happy as ol' Blue layin' on the porch chewin' on a big ol' catfish head.
Good. $5.5 million in guaranteed money is great for a kicker. Thank you for returning to New England Mr. G.
Special teams is once again a strength of this team. I liked the Bruce Ellington signing - a solid return man on both punts and kickoffs, and I really liked Brandon Bolden coming back.