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    More questions for Tyler babe:

    Have you ever worked with someone who turned you on so much you spent time with them off-camera?

    Have you ever been nominated for an adult video award, and what is your opinion of the annual awards in general? Are they fair, or biased in favor of certain actors and production companies?
     
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    I dont think you'll ever hear me complain about any of your posts.

    Why might you ask?

    I'm young i workout and i think your hot.

    So my mouth is shut.:D
     
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    Well, the effects were awesome and the production was one of the best ever in adult. But it's a waste. They spent $600,000.00 on that movie.

    Break it down. The average porn sells 1000-1500 units, total. That's it! The average porn costs between $7000 and $15000 to make. The average wholesale cost to the retailers is about $10 each (for the first couple of months...then it drops considerably).

    Do the math. If the porn does 1500 units and the production company sells them to the retailers for $10 each...that's $15,000.00 bucks. Basically a wash.

    Pirates is a little different. They spent a lot of money on promotion to the mainstream and they charge a lot more for it because it has more bells and whistles and the hype will allow that.

    But even if they sell it wholesale for $20 each and even if they do a record breaking 10,000 units in sales...that's $200,000.00 return and short $400k.

    The point is, they'll never make their money back. They did this movie as a status thing. HEY, LOOK WHO THE BIG BOY ON THE BLOCK IS. That's it. It was guarenteed to win all kinds of awards and make them the most talked about company this year. And, if that's what they were going for, they succeeded.

    We make our movies for our company with better quality then most, better storylines and clever dialogue but that's NOT our main focus. Our focus is THE SEX. If people want to see incredible acting, lavish sets and wild special effects...they'll go to Blockbuster!
     
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    Well, the turn on happened before we worked together. Actually, when I first started in the business, I only did girls. When I signed with Jill Kelly Productions, I agreed to do a boy/girl scene with Dale Dabone. I was so nervous about it before the scene I called him the day or two before and asked him to come by the house. When he got there, I basically pushed myself on him and had sex with him. The reason for that was I wanted to be comfortable with someone first before it counted.

    The scene went great and then we were F*** buddies for a while until I moved on to someone else. LOL

    I've been nominated for AVN awards, I've won a bunch of Amore' Awards, KSEX Listeners' Choice Awards, I won last years Nightmoves USA Entertainment Awards for Best National Feature Dancer but seriously, I am not a big fan of awards.

    Honestly, most of the contests are rigged based on advertisers, favors, etc. and I feel so stupid accepting an award for BEST BJ or crap like that. I don't need some piece of plastic that tells me I'm good at my job. I know I'm good at my job. As long as the fans enjoy me, buy my movies and join my website, that's all the awards I need.

    The stuff that crack me up though are those who win and say, "I want to thank my mother for supporting me." LOL You want to thank your mother because you just won Best Anal Performer????

    This biz is NUTS sometimes!
     
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    Aight, i got another one....

    How are contracts in the adult industry laid out (between the talent and the production company for both a single film or a long term contract) ?
     
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    It's over a number of films per year. On average, a contract girl has to do a lot less work than an independent to stay alive. Usually between 6-12 movies a year at the most. Contracts also cover required appearances at fan events and sometimes feature dancing appearances.

    But, while it's an advantage to not have to shoot a lot and still have a consistant income with benefits, marketing and a rise in market value...the average salary is under $100k, usually just $60,000 a year. An independent can make that in two to three months, if she doesn't mind working 2-4 scenes a month.
     
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    Tyler, have you ever studied the work of porn stars from the '70s or '80s (or early '90s) for tips on technique and acting? Who do you admire among the "old-timers"?
     
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    there is only one seka
     
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    Not really. This isn't like Hollywood where we "have to master our artful craft." Obviously the dialogue in adult doesn't matter all that much. But you DO have to be able to ACT while having sex. There proper positions you need to take on so that you are "camera out", meaning you're basically having sex slightly turning your bodies away from each other so that the viewers can see all the action clearly. But you also have to be convincingly enjoying it. Yes, it feels good and yes you sometimes enjoy it, but it really is MORE business than anything else and you have to work with a lot of ugly people so a good adult actress is the one who's turning you on because you think she's REALLY into it. Unfortunately, most of us are playing our parts.

    LOL - I think starting this thread may have been a BAD idea. Soon you're all gonna hate porn!
     
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    Yeah right, just lost a little credibility there Tyler...stick to football..haha
     
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    Well, she might actually have a point here.

    When I was let in on the fact that at Gentleman's Clubs, the women there are giving you fake names and usually lying when they tell you they are working through college. It just about ruined the whole experience for me. :bricks:

    Hasn't stopped me from going back mind you, but it is a little like having the curtian pulled back, the Great and Powerful Oz loses something after you know about the short guy working the levers.
     
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    Ha ha, I was just giving Tyler some grief. But my sarcasm has a point...see your statement? You don't marry the dancer so I doubt on your wedding day you will be surprised to hear the minister say, "Do you Reba take 14thDragon to be your lawfully wedded wife"? To which you say, "I thought your name was Emerald"?

    Listen, anyone that watches porn or goes to a strip club thinking they are going to marry the porn star or dancer is crazy (except for Wankus...the lucky bastard!) Hopefully one uses porn for part of a healthy sex life not as a substitute. Hey strip clubs are fine if you have a good one that the girls are good looking and work hard at putting on a good show. When I do go I go with my buddies mainly for male bonding time. We shoot the **** look at some scantily or barely clad women for a little bit while drinking and have superficial conversations with dancers. I've gone out with a few dancers and known a few others. You don't miss much if your only getting the "fake" name. Now once in awhile they have every thing together, but that one you REALLY will never get her real name from because she is WORKING and has totally seperated her job from her personal life. I have gone out with exactly ONE of those. My rambling point is that, they really aren't any different than anyone else and you aren't missing anything. I've also gone out with an Olympic gymnast...woowee. OK just kidding about the woowee part, great girl, very pretty, liked her a lot but it didn't turn out to be any holy grail or anything. She was no really different in any real way than a teacher I dated.

    My point being is "knowing" the "stripper" is only a status symbol. Does anyone really go to a strip club thinking that the dancer is going to CARE about them? There job is to only make you horney enough to part with some $$$, not solve any issues or tell you about thier personal hopes and dreams. It actually is fun watching the guys that get a crap load of table dances and run out of money...then watch the girl walk away and the fake smile (along with her fake name) leave her face until she gets close to the next guy she thinks wants a dance from her. Now thats entertainment!

    I think one of the great things about Tyler is that she comes across as a REAL person and knows her crap about sports, gives as good as she gets (meaning grief on this board after so many here "judged" her...not the other thing...:eek: ) If we had a dancer (I know Tyler does that to, but she isn't the "normal" dancer) come onto the board that knew football and she worked near any of us you would find that you wouldn't want her to dance for you anymore than any other girl unless she was good at her job. Yeah you might "want" to know her more in depth, but how is that different than a hot girl that works at a store your buying something at? Because you are directly paying a dancer $20? Now I will admit I did sample a selection of Tyler Faith video after she started posting because I wanted to "understand" her better. But I will tell you, as cool as she is on this board if she "sucked" or maybe a beter phrase would be if she wasn't good at the PURPOSE of her performance I wouldn't watch anything of hers again.(worth watching by the way) Any of her posts here haven't burst my bubble at all. While maybe her posts haven gotten me to initially see something she has done...I don't think about her take on the Pats secondary when I'm watching her on film. "Knowning" Tyler doesn't make her movies any better...same thing with a dancer.

    Hey I know you were just throwing up a post with a comment and this long discertation really isn't about you, I just couldn't sleep and was bored and started typing.

    Nothing Tyler types here will get anyone here to watch less porn if they enjoy it as part of a healthy sex life...and if they have a "problem" with it then it REALLY won't matter. Just like the dancer not giving her real name won't stop anyone from going to a strip club.

    Tyler posted this before as her fiance writes a blog and currently his front page is an article he wrote for a magazine dealing with this exact subject and is even more blunt that anything Tyler has written...it also is funny as hell.

    http://wankus.blogspot.com/

    Now that being said...like I said I have dated dancers and stand by my theory that after the curtain is pulled it isn't anything different. I have NEVER however gone out with a porn star....Tyler what are the chances that Wankus could set me up with Leanna??? haha j/k.
     
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    Pats-blue,

    I'm not saying having the illusion burst is going to change my habits (I think I already said that), it just cahnges the way I, and I would bet others, look at things. Not by much but subtly. Before knowing you can always tell yourself the illusion is real just because you do not know that it isn't. Once you know, then you have a bit more trouble with the suspension of disbelief.

    The same way it is harder to get scared at a monster movie because you know it is fake. The foreknowledge that the scary creature is just make-up and rubber dulls the effect. Knowing rather then just pretty sure that everything you are seeing is completely contrived, colors things just a bit different.
     
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    Pats-blue makes an excellent point. Just because a woman is beautiful or is in a glamor biz (stripper/porn star/flight attendant/actress, etc.) doesn't mean she's passionate or hot sexually and will take you to nirvana behind closed doors. Some are self-centered power trippers with all kinds of hangups, screwed-up value systems and unpleasant quirks. Once you get past the facade and fantasy they intoxicatingly represent, attitude and heart are what it's all about. Beyond that, how many of us here could share the woman we love with other men, even in the seemingly "superficial" worlds of stripping and porn? I know I couldn't. No way. This guy Wankus just happened to fall in love with a porn star and he seems genuine about it judging by what Tyler has shared here. I don't care how much he knows about the industry or how cool he is with everything, I can't imagine it not gnawing at him at the end of the day. But that's probably just my projection onto things from afar. It takes all kinds to make the world go 'round and I wish them the best.
     
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    Well going along with your "monsters movies" being "fake"...You do know most of the boobs are fake at the strip clubs right? Haha

    I know what you are saying, I wrote one tiny sentence in there admitting that I wasn't really writing my thesis on your comment and recognize what you ment but was running with it anyways.

    The only thing I would say was towards you would be that the subtle difference that you mention really is even less than you think (IMO it doesn't end up adding anything...just my opinion having experienced both sides of it) Now there are those that go that there to actually PAY for the ILLUSION. Well thier bubble may burst but there is nothing anyone is gonna say that will change thier DELUSION..

    I think "knowing" helps in a strip club. I've dropped serious dollars in a club and not so much. (honestly when I have met dancers it has NEVER been when I spent a lot). I usually leave with the same exact feeling regardless if I only spoke to dancers named "emerald" or "jasmine". I hope you read the article by Wankus in the link....it explains the exact stuff we are talking about...and even mentions we will still go regardless of what curtain they pull....

    I was just writing and sort of trying to be funny sometimes, it wasn't really actually about your post, I just used it as an excuse to start typing....
     
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    Exactly what I'm saying. I totally misrepresented what 14th posted. I just used his post to write a dissertation.

    I would like to point out that the Olympic gymnast was "good" but it wasn't because of her athletic "abilities", it WAS about the passion like Tune said.

    I also think that is part of the reason maybe Tyler started this thread...to give us a peek behind the curtain and get the misconceptions straightened out..she has been very honest that some of the "levers" are broken but also I think has cleared up some what I would consider bigoted and stupid attitudes (my opinion, which others may find stupid...but ever one has one of those right?)
     
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    [Darth Vader]Noooooo.....!!!!!![/Darth Vader] I always figured about 1 out of 3 boobs were fake. And most of the time when it is real ovious, I lose intrest.

    But on to your point. Maybe I am wired differently, or look at things different (I admit being wired wrong in a lot of areas), but the differences do matter to me. The best I ever had going to Gentlemans Club was when I spent nearly 3 hours talking with one dancer, not even a whiff of money was brought up. Not one drink was asked for and the one offered was turned down. It was more enjoyable because I was able to have the "feeling" of nothing be unreal. My worst time is when it was painfully obvious that money was all she was interested in, and even that didn't spark that much.

    The same is true in Porn. IMO it is selling a fanatasy. Not neccesarily that that particular actress is going to "take you to nirvana" but that someone might. (One reason I believe so many male porn actors are "ugly" is to give the impression that hot women will sleep with ugly guys.) Once you get it into your mind that outside of being paid, your fantasies will not exist, it takes something off of it.

    Anyway, I will try and check out the blog when I am not on a work computer. Sounds like a good read.
     
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    You thought Xotica was her real name? LOL
     
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    It takes a man who is secure with himself to be able to accept what a woman like me does for a living. It's NOT easy and takes a lot of adjustements and comprimising on both sides. But in the end, Wankus fell in love with a porn star. If he asks me to be something I'm not, he's not getting what he fell in love with.

    He also knows that I won't be doing this much longer as talent which gets him through the day. We also have a relatively "normal" life outside of work.

    Our favorite kind of night would be chinese take out, Law and Order and playing with the dogs. Probably not the image most would have of an adult star, but it's who we are. :)
     
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    Never met an Xotica acctually, or any other really doofy names. The only one that seemed remotly suspicious was Summer. Other then that, mostly Nicole's and Ambers, with the occasional Violet. :shrug:
     

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