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  1. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Josh Gordon's locker is next to Brady's. PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Because Brady is usually good enough to get the job done in spite of the crap defensive game plan the Patriots trot out against them. When he hasn't been, they've gotten their asses kicked.
     

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    TheRainMaker 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    What would you like to see them do?
     
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    Adam Seward Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    If you want to believe that each regular season game gets an equal 6.5% of the seasons energy and focus toward preparation and execution, that’s fine, I strongly believe the opposite.

    Especially if you have a few key players with chips on their shoulders and not a great shot of the playoffs and your opponent has been the league dominant force over two decades.

    That might be a case where one group digs really deep, focuses, plans and executes one hell of a game.
     
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    maineman209 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    One look at my mug and a sexting/hookup app would probably uninstall itself.
     
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  5. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Josh Gordon's locker is next to Brady's. PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Not worry so much about the QB breaking contain and scrambling. Move him off his spot and try to force a mistake. Switch up the coverages in the secondary and employ more man concepts which our corners are clearly more comfortable with. They actually did this against Trubisky from time to time and used KVN as a spy and the results were not bad.
     
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  6. signbabybrady

    signbabybrady Pro Bowl Player

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    But wouldn't you say if Brady isn't his usual self then the offense would at a minimum deserve its share of blame for these ass kickings you are referring too. Which are pretty few and far between anyway.
     
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    maineman209 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    And the Bears.
     
  8. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Josh Gordon's locker is next to Brady's. PatsFans.com Supporter

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    When the offense isn’t up to snuff, it’s on the defense to keep the drives, TOP, yards, and points to a minimum. They haven’t done that against teams in which they’re overly concerned with the QB’s wheels nearly enough which is why some of those losses, particularly going back to Week 1 of 2017, have been so lopsided.
     
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    I look forward to BB showing the entire league how you stop Mahomes and the Chiefs O in the AFC Championship game. History (sort of) repeats itself. :)
     
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    signbabybrady Pro Bowl Player

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    We've played plenty of mobile QBs and very rarely are scores lopsided. You've just been making this up.
     
  11. Coolade2

    Coolade2 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    The main point I think is for you to figure out... but try not to contradict yourself cuz you can look like a jackass based on what you posted in other threads. :p




    I like this analysis where defense plays to offset the expected performance of the offense with Brady. Bailing out the D is dumb way to put it. Brady's job is to score points. Move the ball. D's job is to slow down opponent. Clock is important in the chess match of real time game strategy. :cool:
     
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  12. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Josh Gordon's locker is next to Brady's. PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Chiefs 2014, Chiefs 2017, Jags and Titans this season are four such games that come to mind where Brady didn’t cover Bill’s ass on defense. Going back to last year off the top of my head, they allowed the Texans and Panthers over 30 points (the Panthers were inept on offense before that) but Brady was able to keep up and keep those scores close. The Seahawks scored over 30 in 2016 with what was probably the worst game plan they devised all year. As if he wouldn’t be able to consistently find the holes in the zone. But, again, Brady was able to keep up until he ran out of time in the end. So no, I’m not “just making this up.” Some of the defenses worst games from a points allowed standpoint have come when they’ve **** themselves against mobile QB’s. When Brady can hang, the game is competitive. If he’s slowed down in the least, it’s a blowout.
     
  13. Coolade2

    Coolade2 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    A Defiant Goose said:
    Same. The most arrogant comment ever. And guess what? You should be playing every damn team like it's your Super Bowl. "


    Another way of looking at this "other teams super bowl" theory.. is basically blowing your proverbial load.. lol.. super bowl hangover. Etc.

    After big win with lots of energy, passion, emotion. invested they didn't realize how depleted they were... it takes wisdom to put it back in your pants quickly so you can reload and get back to your top performance.. :cool::D
     
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    signbabybrady Pro Bowl Player

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    For all those losses you list their are twice as many wins. You hand pick a few games and act like it's some problem that comes up every week.
     
  15. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Josh Gordon's locker is next to Brady's. PatsFans.com Supporter

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    That’s nice but not all of those games are against mobile QBs. The dubs have mostly occurred because of Brady. When he get stifled, they get hammered. Citing the winning percentage is nothing more than a red herring when the convo centers around how brain dead and overly conservative their defensive game plans against mobile QBs are. That you’re tossing around one logical fallacy after another tells me that you know that you have no cogent counter argument here.
     
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    signbabybrady Pro Bowl Player

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    I meant twice as many wins over mobile QBs.
     
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    I am not contradicting myself. You just have zero reading comprehension and capability to pick up nuance.

    I can be critical of a player missing open reads but still at the same time be absolutely aware of the context this happened under.

    So you have no point. Cool.
     
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  18. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Josh Gordon's locker is next to Brady's. PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Because Brady is usually able to compete on the other side of the ball. That doesn't mean the game plan isn't garbage. Here are some of the point totals against teams with mobile quarterbacks in the last few years...

    32 - W
    31 - L
    42 - L
    33 - W
    33 - L
    31 - L
    40 - W
    31 - W
    34 - L

    The Patriots are 4-5 in those games. There were only two games in that bunch in which Brady was able to move the ball on the other side. The 33 point output to the Panthers in 2017 and the 31 point output to the Seahawks in 2016. Short of those two, the scores in losses have been lopsided. You can choose to believe that these are good defensive game plans based on previous wins if you wish, but that's faulty logic. There are plenty of examples of teams in this league that have won (and even won the whole thing) with terrible coaching and terrible game plans because the talent on one or both sides of the ball has been good enough to overcome it.
     
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  19. Coolade2

    Coolade2 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    The potential contradiction is for those who supported their arguments last week with how great Tennessee defense was. Gee who did that..? :p
     
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    signbabybrady Pro Bowl Player

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    Your just hand picking a few games that fit your narrative.
     

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