Brandon Merriweather - Good Guy or Punk ?

[VrabelMayeWin]

He's the Free Safety of my dreams. Our Ed Reed. What I hoped Eugene Wilson would be. A Safety who can flip his hips and cover a slot WR without a problem and can laugh at guys like Dallas Clark.

People call him a punk. He was a non passive participant in the Miami melee. He had the gun incident a couple years back.

I open the Pro Football Weekly book (pre season). And I read : "Is said to have solid character and natural leadership ability . . . very smart and plays with great instincts . . . has great football intelligence . . . works hard". He's also a team captain.

Also on the gun incident, he was acting in self defense on his property with a legally owned gun.

I'm starting to have dreams about this guy, tell me why I shouldn't.

 

[PonyExpress]

There is something to be said for Merriweather's on-field attitude, provided it never again escalates to criminal volence. I'm with you.

 

[Seymour93]

IMO, we need a little more nastiness on the defense. A player with attitude would've been in his teammates' faces to keep it up and play out the second half in an AFCC. I want someone to make guys like Clark FEAR running through the middle of the field. I'd have no beef with picking Merriweather. He's a better safety than the shaky Griffin I can tell you that.

 

[Remix 6]

Miami fan here. Hes a good guy. The gun incident, well in FL its legal to have a gun and he got fired @ (his friend got shot) and he fired back. Hes a good guy..that 1 incident made him look very bad but dont tell me Rodney is considered a very good guy around the league b.c people call him dirty.

He had 1 bad incident but apologized, sometimes u get caught i nthe heat of the moment. He hasnt been in trouble before, the gun issue was fine, nothing wrong with waht he did.

its not like he did it more than 1 time so i think hes fine, people overuse the term "punk/bad guy" and all that when they talk about Meriweather

his talent is top 15 in draft. 2nd best safety and has some major upside as does Nelson. Hes fast, smart, played CB/S so hes verstatile which we like and hes a playmaker. Hits hard, like Geno, hes not very big where you think hes gonna kill people but he suprises you as does Nelson with the size they are.

i would waste our 24th pick on him b/c as a fan, i feel confident it wont happen again.

 

[everlong]

I have a friend who went to the U and he hates him and thinks he'll be a bust. I think he has talent but I think we should let the Bengals draft him.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

A mini Rodney. Plays with fire and passion. As a run defender he is an Ace, he hits a ton and can make plays. As a pass defender he's weak. Needs lots of help. However he will make WR's and TE's pay if they go over the middle.

I saw a preseason Miami practice year before last (before he beat Threat out for the starting job.) and he destroyed a TE (I forgot his name but Buffalo took him in the draft and he tore up his knee) going over the middle and had everybody in the stands and on the field oohhing and owwing.

 

[Remix 6]

I have a friend who went to the U and he hates him and thinks he'll be a bust. I think he has talent but I think we should let the Bengals draft him.

you awnt the Bengals to have a pro bowl Safety ?

 

[everlong]

you awnt the Bengals to have a pro bowl Safety ?

I'd rather have Landry or Nelson and at corner I'm high on Revis. A lot of people like Griffin the best. Let's just say they're all even talent wise (we'll never all agree), why take the guy with the questionable character? Cedric Cobbs had a ton of talent but he was a head case. If he falls to the 4th round like Cobbs maybe you take a flyer on him.

 

[Remix 6]

I'd rather have Landry or Nelson and at corner I'm high on Revis. A lot of people like Griffin the best. Let's just say they're all even talent wise (we'll never all agree), why take the guy with the questionable character? Cedric Cobbs had a ton of talent but he was a head case. If he falls to the 4th round like Cobbs maybe you take a flyer on him.

your right about us not agreeing

they are different kind of players besides Meriweather-Nelson

Griffin isnt nearly as talented as Meriweather IMO. i like Griffin a lot but hes not the type of ball hawk and not as athletic as Nelson-Meriweather

Meriweather + Nelson = shorter, playmakers, ballhawks, hard hitters who did great this year(think Reed)

Griffin - hes slower than both of them but hes a little bigger, hits hard, smart but he isnt as good in coverage as they are(Milloy maybe..)

Landry - hes complete, least likely to bust out of safeties, most polished, hits hard and not as fast as the other top safeties. Hes not flashy(Dawkins in some way, hits hard, good speed and smart, probably wont be as succesfull as Dawkins b/c its tough to achieve that but hes going to be a great player)

Here are my safety rankings
1. Landry
2. Meriweather
3. Nelson
4. Griffin
5. Weddle

I like all of them besides Weddle really. Meriweather and Nelson can also play corner. Griffin had a little down year, i expected a huge year from him but i love his hustle.

Meriweather doesnt have character issues. It was a 1 time incident, does Tomlinson have character issues b/c he called out a coach?

Meriweather said he saw his teamamtes being attacked, specificalyl the holder and he went to prevent more damage but he made the wrong judgement and didnt think and started stomping on a player. We can handle some headcases..how about Dillon? How about Seymour..if you consider stomping a "character issue". if i recall, he stomped on Tarik Glenn in the first meeting and no one really noticed so it wasnt as big a deal around league but we know he did it, league knows, Colts know..just wasnt very public about it

 

[PonyExpress]

Remix,
Meriweather is 5'10 5/8'' 192 lbs, Nelson 6' 195 lbs. Both of them will have trouble staying healthy at that size playing FS in the NFL (see Geno). Also Nelson has more big plays in big games, and no criminal incidents I'm aware of. Griffin is only 5'11 1/2" 195 lbs, a 1/2 inch shorter than Nelson.

I would definitely take Nelson over Meriwether. Are your Hurricane glasses on? (not that there's anything wrong with that). Also, what are your thoughts on Beason? Mayock has him as the #1 LB in the whole draft.

 

[Remix 6]

Remix,
Meriweather is 5'10 5/8'' 192 lbs, Nelson 6' 195 lbs. Both of them will have trouble staying healthy at that size playing FS in the NFL (see Geno). Also Nelson has more big plays in big games, and no criminal incidents I'm aware of. Griffin is only 5'11 1/2" 195 lbs, a 1/2 inch shorter than Nelson.

I would definitely take Nelson over Meriwether. Are your Hurricane glasses on? (not that there's anything wrong with that). Also, what are your thoughts on Beason? Mayock has him as the #1 LB in the whole draft.

Yes but Ed Reed is also 5"11, 200 and he hasnt been hit by huge injury yet..missed 6 games last year but thats about it.

Nelson is more of a 1 year wonder imo..he came out of nowhere sort of..Meriweather has been doing similar for awhile now. Last year he could've been a first rounder. Meriweather is just as athletic as Nelson. Neither is big enough to really be a consistent guy in the box but they'll get bigger with weight rooms in NFL. i dont recall a college player who went pro that is the same size. MAybe he weighs similar but hes lost any fat and turned it into muscle. usually you gain weight and thats good. I've seen both guys play..i just feel safer with Meriweather than Nelson but both are similar. I guess maybe b/c im a Merriweather fan and seeing so much of him has me a little biased but its very close. Nelson is just a few hairs away but i'll take consistent + longer domination over Nelson at the moment.

Jon Beason - hes the heart of Miami defense, hes fast, strong but a little small at 6 feet tall. He hits hard, smart player and hes a great person aswell. He could definatley fit our scheme but his safest best is Cover 2 b/c his speed and athletism but i would take him with pick 28 if some guys arent there. Could play inside and outside..great potential in my eyes. Will run a 4.5 or very low 4.6 . Plays much bigger than he is, a weakside backer

i like him a lot and he'll be 1 of the best LBs from this draft after a few years. He'll be the best or 2nd best backer out of the '07 draft

 

[everlong]

Griffin - hes slower than both of them but hes a little bigger, hits hard, smart but he isnt as good in coverage as they are(Milloy maybe..)

Here are my safety rankings
1. Landry
2. Meriweather
3. Nelson
4. Griffin
5. Weddle

I thought the same as you about Griffin but in a thread about him everybody jumped on me and compared him to Ed Reed. Where as I had compared him more to Roy Williams.


I would go

Landry
Nelson
Griffin
Merriweather
Weddle

 

[Remix 6]

I thought the same as you about Griffin but in a thread about him everybody jumped on me and compared him to Ed Reed. Where as I had compared him more to Roy Williams.


I would go

Landry
Nelson
Griffin
Merriweather
Weddle

i wouldnt say Roy williams..hes better in coverage than that but hes not ed reed..hes not as fluid or as big of a ball hawk

 

[Water Boy]

People call him a punk. He was a non passive participant in the Miami melee.

He visciously stomped on another guy's leg.

 

[Remix 6]

He visciously stomped on another guy's leg.

Seymour stomped on Glenn

hes a punk i guess. cut him

 

[PonyExpress]

Seymour stomped on Glenn

hes a punk i guess. cut him

Leaders on defense always play on the edge between controlled violence and psychopathy. That's why BB was drawn to Channing Crowder and Odell Thurman in his quest for a young ILB in past years. In the end the ??? were too much, but BB met with those players for lengthy personal interviews. It tells me he may have been looking for a reason to draft them despite their pasts. Of course in Thurman's case, passing on him was the right thing. Odell's demons were too much to overcome (orphaned, alcoholic father, alcoholic family). But Crowder would have looked great in red white and blue.

 

[Remix 6]

Leaders on defense always play on the edge between controlled violence and psychopathy. That's why BB was drawn to Channing Crowder and Odell Thurman in his quest for a young ILB in past years. In the end the ??? were too much, but BB met with those players for lengthy personal interviews. It tells me he may have been looking for a reason to draft them despite their pasts. Of course in Thurman's case, passing on him was the right thing. Odell's demons were too much to overcome (orphaned, alcoholic father, alcoholic family). But Crowder would have looked great in red white and blue.

so why cant Meriweather be on people's board? Very possible hes a Patriot.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Seymour stomped on Glenn

hes a punk i guess. cut him

Yeh, and Glenn dived at Sey's knees. Will Smith got into it with Fauria the year before when Christian scared him with a low block, big difference between heat of the moment during a play and running into a brawl and stomping on a guy who is down. Stick with your man, but don't get carried away comparing apples and oranges here.

 

[Remix 6]

Yeh, and Glenn dived at Sey's knees. Will Smith got into it with Fauria the year before when Christian scared him with a low block, big difference between heat of the moment during a play and running into a brawl and stomping on a guy who is down. Stick with your man, but don't get carried away comparing apples and oranges here.

FIU was attacking Miami players. You stick up for your team. Thats a heat of the moment..as is Seymour attacking back. Let the refs take care of it ..dont stomp someone as revenge..

 

[Seneschal2]

I'm starting to have dreams about this guy, tell me why I shouldn't.

Well, I'm not the Sandman but my round one Safeties are:

1. Nelson
2. Landry
3. Griffin