BGC 2020 QB/PTP Thread

[miloofcroton]

BB loves those big boys and somehow the run D gets gashed anyways

If run defense was only gauged by the size of the defensive linemen

Some run concepts will destroy the 2 gap front.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

If run defense was only gauged by the size of the defensive linemen

Some run concepts will destroy the 2 gap front.

In theory there should be a linebacker to fill each run lane.

davis is an excellent 2 gapper. I am so looking forward to him and brederson of Michigan going up against each other.

 

[miloofcroton]

In theory there should be a linebacker to fill each run lane.

davis is an excellent 2 gapper. I am so looking forward to him and brederson of Michigan going up against each other.

No doubt. I'm a big fan of his as well. Just saying that size =/= run stopping ability of the defense. Sometimes you stop the run with speed.

 

[miloofcroton]

Will use this thread for all QB talk, breakdowns & possible next Patriot franchise QB. Just like the WR's, I used w/e tape I could find, games on DVR, reputation & some projection to create the tiers.

QB 2020

Tier 1
Tua Tagovailoa 6'/230 - Alabama


Tier 2
Jordan Love 6'4/225 - Utah St

Justin Herbert 6'6/230 - Oregon

Desmond Ridder 6'4/215 - Cinci

Jake Fromm 6'2/220 - Georgia

Ian Book 6'/205 - Notre Dame

D’Eriq King 5'11/195 - Houston

Bryce Perkins 6'3/210 - Virginia

Cole McDonald 6'4/205 - Hawaii

Sam Ehlinger 6'3/235 - Texas

Joe Burrow 6'4/215 - LSU

Brian Lewerke 6'3/215 - Michigan St

McKenzie Milton 5'11/185 - UCF


Tier 3
Khalil Tate 6'2/215 - Arizona

Jacob Eason 6'6/230 - Washington

Jarrett Guarantano 6'4/210 - Tennessee

Steven Montez 6'5/230 - Colorado

Armani Rogers 6'5/225 - UNLV

Jarret Doege 6'3/205 - Bowling Green

Mike Glass III 6'/215 - Eastern Michigan

Riley Neal 6'6/225 - Vanderbilt

Deondre Francois 6'1/215 - FAU

Nate Stanley 6'4/240 - Iowa

Mason Fine 5'11/185 - North Texas

KJ Costello 6'5/215 - Stanford

Kellen Mond 6'2/210 - Texas A&M

Jalen Hurts 6'1/220 - OK

Charlie Brewer 6'1/200 - Baylor

Peyton Ramsey 6'2/210 - Indiana

Josh Jackson 6'1/215 - Maryland

Jake Bentley 6'4/225 - South Carolina

Shea Patterson 6'2/200 - Michigan

Feleipe Franks 6'5/235 - Florida

Blake Barnett 6'5/215 - USF

Caleb Evans 6'2/210 - UL-Monroe

Tyler Huntley 6'1/205 - Utah

Brady White 6'3/205 - Memphis

Alex Thomson 6'5/230 - Marshall

James Morgan 6'4/210 - FIU

Jon Wassink 6'2/200 - Western Michigan

Alex Hornibrook 6'3/220 - FSU


Tier 4
Jake Luton 6'7/230 - Oregon St

Ryan Willis 6'4/220 - VA Tech

Jack Abraham 6'/205 - Southern Miss

Anthony Russo 6'4/230 - Temple

Zac Thomas 6'1/200 - App St

Elijah Sindelar 6'4/225 - Purdue

Zeb Noland 6'2/220 - North Dakota St

Kenny Pickett 6'2/220 - Pitt

Anthony Brown 6'2/220 - Boston College

Tommy Stevens 6'5/240 - Miss St

Check out Jamie Newman:



Also, why put Jacob Eason so low? He has the best arm and among the best accuracy in the entire class, with good mechanics and pro style experience to boot.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Check out Jamie Newman:



Also, why put Jacob Eason so low? He has the best arm and among the best accuracy in the entire class, with good mechanics and pro style experience to boot.

I think if you watch tape of Nelson against Clemson this year, you will see why he needs to go back to school next year.

 

[miloofcroton]

I think if you watch tape of Nelson against Clemson this year, you will see why he needs to go back to school next year.

I get that his numbers were horrific, but when I watched the most freely available plays from that game that I could find, I saw his WRs and OL completely outmatched. He'd make a back shoulder throw, and the CB would basically Moss his poor little WR. You could say that he shouldn't have made this throw. Fine, so what should he have done? If he can't trust his WRs in a one on one matchup, then he's reduced to midrange throws to gaps in zone over the middle, which Clemson wasn't playing I'd assume. So, he basically can't play within his offense and win that game. This all goes without mentioning Clemon's DL talent superiority.

I don't think it's always fair to point to a player's toughest opposition in college and say "that is proof they are/aren't ready for the NFL" because the talent disparity is too great. To take Newman's case again, I want a QB that is willing to take 1 on 1 chances with his top WR. If it's an INT, that's the WR's fault. We'll get him a better WR. (If he does it over an over again, maybe that's the QBs fault, but that's a different situation).

A different situation is Jordan Love. I saw him terrified for his life during the LSU game. Terrible mechanics, terrible decision making, lack of pocket presence and mechanics in the pocket. Adversity just broke him. In Newman's case, I just saw a guy on a team that was destined to lose to a far superior opponent.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I get that his numbers were horrific, but when I watched the most freely available plays from that game that I could find, I saw his WRs and OL completely outmatched. He'd make a back shoulder throw, and the CB would basically Moss his poor little WR. You could say that he shouldn't have made this throw. Fine, so what should he have done? If he can't trust his WRs in a one on one matchup, then he's reduced to midrange throws to gaps in zone over the middle, which Clemson wasn't playing I'd assume. So, he basically can't play within his offense and win that game. This all goes without mentioning Clemon's DL talent superiority.

I don't think it's always fair to point to a player's toughest opposition in college and say "that is proof they are/aren't ready for the NFL" because the talent disparity is too great. To take Newman's case again, I want a QB that is willing to take 1 on 1 chances with his top WR. If it's an INT, that's the WR's fault. We'll get him a better WR. (If he does it over an over again, maybe that's the QBs fault, but that's a different situation).

A different situation is Jordan Love. I saw him terrified for his life during the LSU game. Terrible mechanics, terrible decision making, lack of pocket presence and mechanics in the pocket. Adversity just broke him. In Newman's case, I just saw a guy on a team that was destined to lose to a far superior opponent.

Are you thinking the competition level in the nfl is less? the nfl is the best of the best.
He is not nearly ready to compete at that level.

 

[miloofcroton]

Are you thinking the competition level in the nfl is less? the nfl is the best of the best.
He is not nearly ready to compete at that level.

The competition level in the NFL is more balanced. You won't have to compensate for garbage WRs playing against future 1st round pick CBs. Yes, your opponents will have talent, but you will have talent too. So, my argument is that the most realistic scenario to evaluate a mid-major QB in is when they play other mid-major schools.

He very well could use another year, with this being only his second year as a starter. That being said, the talent is there, and I'd still want to draft him if he left this year.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Sounds like Tua is staying?

Tua Tagovailoa to announce decision Monday during Nick Saban’s press conference

The fact that Tagovailoa is making his decision public in that setting has invited speculation that he is returning for his senior season. As our friend Zach Barnett of College Football Talk writes, “The thought here is Saban wouldn’t sit for a press conference that announces a player’s departure."

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Sounds like Tua is staying?

Tua Tagovailoa to announce decision Monday during Nick Saban’s press conference

Yea whispers and leaks started about a week/2 week ago. Bad move imo but what do I know.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Tua staying is huge and I think the right thing for him to do.

hopefully he has a healthy season and faces Clemson again in the finals!

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Tua is in

 

[SBLIII]

Tua staying is huge and I think the right thing for him to do.

hopefully he has a healthy season and faces Clemson again in the finals!

That did not age well.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

That did not age well.

very true. Hopefully he handles hits from men better than he did against college kids.

 

[miloofcroton]

very true. Hopefully he handles hits from men better than he did against college kids.

Hopefully he goes to a franchise that puts his long-term health over winning individual games.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

CBS mock has us taking Eason in the first round.

big arm, but he does not make the best decisions and is not the most accurate.

 

[JerseyShore99]

CBS mock has us taking Eason in the first round.

big arm, but he does not make the best decisions and is not the most accurate.

I like Eason, but LOVE Fromm

Curious where they both go

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I like Eason, but LOVE Fromm

Curious where they both go

fromm is interesting in that he does not throw to receivers running certain routes and his arm is pop gun.

but he makes good decisions and is accurate.

 

[miloofcroton]

CBS mock has us taking Eason in the first round.

big arm, but he does not make the best decisions and is not the most accurate.

I saw Eason carry Washington this year, particularly later in the year. Also, very very accurate. He may not be Peyton Manning when it comes to decision making, but he's not bad.

 

[super36]

After reading about Fromm completing less than 50% of his passes in his final five games as a Bulldog, I understood why a Georgia alum like Jermaine Wiggins didn't like Fromm.