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Michael

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As I say, you can go an hour without seeing a single player with a pocket pair and then all of a sudden.

PokerStars Game #7905957344: Tournament #39910595, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/01/12 - 22:17:57 (ET)
Table '39910595 912' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: onefoot1 (9493 in chips)
Seat 2: Thundur (9744 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: |t's_R|GGED! (33087 in chips)
Seat 4: abrasax (24195 in chips)
Seat 5: Marconnet (16004 in chips)
Seat 6: hidde_nr1 (6610 in chips)
Seat 7: boak82 (8669 in chips)
Seat 8: ps18 (13278 in chips)
Seat 9: fjdale (2539 in chips)
onefoot1: posts the ante 25
Thundur: posts the ante 25
|t's_R|GGED!: posts the ante 25
abrasax: posts the ante 25
Marconnet: posts the ante 25
hidde_nr1: posts the ante 25
boak82: posts the ante 25
ps18: posts the ante 25
fjdale: posts the ante 25
Thundur: posts small blind 100
|t's_R|GGED!: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to |t's_R|GGED! [5c 5d]
abrasax: raises 1400 to 1600
Marconnet: raises 14379 to 15979 and is all-in
hidde_nr1: calls 6585 and is all-in
boak82: folds
ps18: folds
fjdale: folds
onefoot1: calls 9468 and is all-in
Thundur: folds
|t's_R|GGED!: folds
abrasax: folds
*** FLOP *** [2h Ts As]
boak82 said, "folded ace king"
*** TURN *** [2h Ts As] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [2h Ts As 2c] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Marconnet: shows [Kd Ks] (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
onefoot1: shows [8s 8d] (two pair, Eights and Deuces)
Marconnet collected 5766 from side pot
hidde_nr1: shows [Qd Jc] (a pair of Deuces)
Marconnet collected 21880 from main pot

Set up.
 

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I stay away and then I get bored and get sucked in again.

PokerStars Game #8037675875: Tournament #40509689, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/01/20 - 16:13:17 (ET)
Table '40509689 856' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Thief2002 (19630 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: daBulletsAA (27785 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: |t's_R|GGED! (9920 in chips)
Seat 4: Big Ron316 (14310 in chips)
Seat 5: buickpro (3765 in chips)
Seat 6: Harju4 (13755 in chips)
Seat 7: byker723 (18690 in chips)
Seat 8: redsox60 (9330 in chips)
Seat 9: erazor8 (9195 in chips)
Thief2002: posts the ante 25
daBulletsAA: posts the ante 25
|t's_R|GGED!: posts the ante 25
Big Ron316: posts the ante 25
buickpro: posts the ante 25
Harju4: posts the ante 25
byker723: posts the ante 25
redsox60: posts the ante 25
erazor8: posts the ante 25
|t's_R|GGED!: posts small blind 100
Big Ron316: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to |t's_R|GGED! [Ac Kh]
buickpro: folds
Harju4: folds
byker723: folds
redsox60: folds
erazor8: raises 600 to 800
Thief2002: folds
daBulletsAA: folds
|t's_R|GGED!: raises 9095 to 9895 and is all-in
Big Ron316: folds
erazor8: calls 8370 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [5c Ah 7c]
*** TURN *** [5c Ah 7c] [Ad]
*** RIVER *** [5c Ah 7c Ad] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
|t's_R|GGED!: shows [Ac Kh] (three of a kind, Aces)
erazor8: shows [Jh Jd] (a full house, Jacks full of Aces)
erazor8 collected 18765 from pot

Yep it's random. :rolleyes:
 

everlong

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I play on PokerStars and Full Tilt. I used to play on a bunch of other sites but since Frist and the "moral" far right cracked down I've consolidated. I'm profitable and enjoy it.
 

Michael

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I play on PokerStars and Full Tilt. I used to play on a bunch of other sites but since Frist and the "moral" far right cracked down I've consolidated. I'm profitable and enjoy it.

I would never play for real money on line. Foxwoods is close enough. I have 1.25 million in play chips. You can win its just bogus dealing though.
 

everlong

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I would never play for real money on line. Foxwoods is close enough. I have 1.25 million in play chips. You can win its just bogus dealing though.


I don't enjoy ring games and the tourney at foxwoods are really shallow money taking most of the skill out of the game.
 

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Only on Joker Stars

PokerStars Game #8090932052: Tournament #40966973, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/01/23 - 20:56:32 (ET)
Table '40966973 411' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: original420 (1425 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: tell no lies (1695 in chips)
Seat 3: ulost60 (1875 in chips)
Seat 4: kelso130 (6325 in chips)
Seat 5: Max Flex (975 in chips)
Seat 6: ASUWFU (6685 in chips)
Seat 7: VegasMRL (2770 in chips)
Seat 8: JU66ERN0T (1395 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: anachronism1 (1135 in chips)
anachronism1: posts small blind 15
original420: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to VegasMRL [7h 5h]
tell no lies: calls 30
ulost60: calls 30
kelso130: raises 240 to 270
Max Flex: raises 705 to 975 and is all-in
ASUWFU: folds
VegasMRL: folds
JU66ERN0T: folds
anachronism1: folds
original420: folds
tell no lies: folds
ulost60: folds
kelso130: calls 705
*** FLOP *** [Td 8c Jd]
*** TURN *** [Td 8c Jd] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [Td 8c Jd 4s] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kelso130: shows [7c 6d] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Max Flex: shows [Kc As] (high card Ace)
kelso130 collected 2055 from pot
 

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It's laughable

PokerStars Game #8116080226: Tournament #40967002, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/01/25 - 14:54:36 (ET)
Table '40967002 200' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: NE_Pats_54 (3000 in chips)
Seat 2: ManuelRaposo (1965 in chips)
Seat 3: BigSlic888 (3090 in chips)
Seat 4: Olafio (3555 in chips)
Seat 5: Bigmaec (2805 in chips)
Seat 6: kaffee2006 (3480 in chips)
Seat 7: wuppen (1440 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: Krarl (3975 in chips)
Seat 9: Alan96 (3810 in chips)
kaffee2006: posts small blind 15
wuppen: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Krarl: calls 30
Alan96: calls 30
NE_Pats_54: calls 30
ManuelRaposo: calls 30
BigSlic888: raises 60 to 90
Olafio: raises 3465 to 3555 and is all-in
Bigmaec: folds
kaffee2006: folds
wuppen: folds
Krarl: folds
Alan96: folds
NE_Pats_54: folds
ManuelRaposo: folds
BigSlic888: calls 3000 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [2c Kd Kh]
*** TURN *** [2c Kd Kh] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [2c Kd Kh 5s] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

BigSlic888: shows [Qs Jh] (a pair of Kings)
Olafio: shows [5c Kc] (a full house, Kings full of Fives)
Olafio collected 6345 from pot
 

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Two hands dealt back to back

PokerStars Game #8133045708: Tournament #40965094, 200+15 Hold'em Pot Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/01/26 - 16:28:23 (ET)
Table '40965094 231' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: kns1967 (3175 in chips)
Seat 2: spike 06 (435 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: heyper (445 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: bolting hole (10630 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: MagicMintal (135 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: corkvette (3650 in chips)
Seat 7: ederch (5395 in chips)
Seat 8: |t's_R|GGED! (18090 in chips)
Seat 9: notewing (3435 in chips)
MagicMintal: posts small blind 100
corkvette: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
ederch: raises 200 to 400
|t's_R|GGED!: calls 400
notewing: raises 200 to 600
kns1967: calls 600
spike 06: folds
heyper: folds
bolting hole: folds
MagicMintal: folds
corkvette: folds
ederch: raises 2500 to 3100
bolting hole has returned
notewing: raises 335 to 3435 and is all-in
kns1967: calls 2575 and is all-in
ederch: calls 335
*** FLOP *** [5d 5c 3d]
*** TURN *** [5d 5c 3d] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [5d 5c 3d 3s] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ederch: shows [4d Ac] (a straight, Ace to Five)
notewing: shows [Ah Ad] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
ederch collected 520 from side pot
kns1967: shows [Ts Kc] (two pair, Fives and Threes)
ederch collected 10225 from main pot


PokerStars Game #8133069903: Tournament #40965094, 200+15 Hold'em Pot Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/01/26 - 16:30:05 (ET)
Table '40965094 231' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Mad Homer (8175 in chips)
Seat 2: spike 06 (435 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: heyper (445 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: bolting hole (10630 in chips)
Seat 5: MagicMintal (35 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: corkvette (3450 in chips)
Seat 7: ederch (12705 in chips)
Seat 8: |t's_R|GGED! (17690 in chips)
Seat 9: genoboy999 (675 in chips) is sitting out
corkvette: posts small blind 100
ederch: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
|t's_R|GGED!: calls 200
genoboy999: folds
Mad Homer: folds
spike 06: folds
heyper: folds
bolting hole: raises 700 to 900
MagicMintal: folds
corkvette: calls 800
ederch: calls 700
|t's_R|GGED!: calls 700
*** FLOP *** [As Td 9d]
corkvette: bets 200
ederch: calls 200
|t's_R|GGED!: calls 200
bolting hole: raises 4400 to 4600
corkvette: calls 2350 and is all-in
ederch: calls 4400
|t's_R|GGED!: folds
*** TURN *** [As Td 9d] [3c]
ederch: checks
bolting hole: bets 5130 and is all-in
ederch: calls 5130
*** RIVER *** [As Td 9d 3c] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ederch: shows [8c Qs] (a straight, Eight to Queen)
bolting hole: shows [Jd Ad] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
ederch collected 14360 from side pot
corkvette: shows [3h Ah] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
ederch collected 11450 from main pot
 

QuiGon

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You do make a compelling case but,
I still don't think the site itself is fixed.
The mainstream sites aren't fixed. Anyone saying anything to the contrary is just a paranoid conspiracy theorist with little understand of how probability works.

I haven't seen anyone give a single motive for precisely why an online poker site would rig their games short of the preposterous notion that it is rigged so that an employee or representative of the website tends to win. Meanwhile, the risk of getting caught fixing games would be astronomical - any such website would go bankrupt overnight.

On a side note-
I lived in vegas for a while and used to play alot out there in the casino's but Have never played poker at foxwoods.
What's your take between the two?
Thanks in advance.
Personally I just don't like Foxwoods. I can't wait until Mohegan opens their new poker room, hopefully sometime this year.
 

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The mainstream sites aren't fixed. Anyone saying anything to the contrary is just a paranoid conspiracy theorist with little understand of how probability works.

I haven't seen anyone give a single motive for precisely why an online poker site would rig their games short of the preposterous notion that it is rigged so that an employee or representative of the website tends to win. Meanwhile, the risk of getting caught fixing games would be astronomical - any such website would go bankrupt overnight.

They do it for a couple reasons. 1.) By winning with bad play in freerolls people will want to start playing for money. 2.) By creating bad beats they build a lot of big pots and and a lot of big rakes. When I lived in Vegas I played at The Orleans poker room every day. They ran a bad beat jackpot there and if you lost with As full of J or better you would win the jackpot. I saw that Jackpot get hit once in one year. On line that jackpot would be hit literally every second. I still play at Foxwoods and rarely see 2 people get pocket pairs at the same time never mind 3-5. Which is the norm on-line. And I've seen people have hot seats and seem unbeatable but, for the most part the pots are spread around the table. On-line you ALWAYS see one seat favored. They don't fear getting caught because it is almost impossible to prove. My experience of literally 1000s of hours of play with real decks in a real poker rooms is what proves to me what I'm seeing is not right. But, it isn't proof to anyone else. And there will always be people like you that just insist it isn't and couldn't be rigged. But, who's regulating them? None of them are based in the U.S. And actually by their nature are illegal in the U.S. already.

Personally I just don't like Foxwoods. I can't wait until Mohegan opens their new poker room, hopefully sometime this year.

I played at Mohegan when they had a poker room. It was so small it was hardly worth the trip. To me, I see no difference in any casino. They all look the same on the inside. I've been hearing for years now that Mohegan is going to open a new poker room. I'll believe it when I see it.
 

QuiGon

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They do it for a couple reasons. 1.) By winning with bad play in freerolls people will want to start playing for money.
Illogical because if we assume playing poorly in freerolls but winning anyway encourages someone to play for real, then we must also assume that the person who played well but lost becomes equally discouraged from playing for real money. Unless your contention is the ridiculous notion that the "poor players who win" are real people and the "good players who lose" are casino shills.

2.) By creating bad beats they build a lot of big pots and and a lot of big rakes.
You've made this statement before and I didn't see the logic then and I don't see the logic now. There is just no realistic cause and effect to suggest that bad beats leads to bigger rakes. Furthermore, even if we accept this illogical notion for the sake of arguement, it still comes down to the belief that an online casino is going to risk their entire enterprise to marginally increase the rake. Puh-leeze.

When I lived in Vegas I played at The Orleans poker room every day. They ran a bad beat jackpot there and if you lost with As full of J or better you would win the jackpot. I saw that Jackpot get hit once in one year.
Sorry, but I just don't believe you here (no offense, but the more you write about poker, the more I suspect you have no clue what you are talking about). The board itself will show Aces full of Jacks (or better) more than once per year. Any time you have 4 of a kind on the board, then someone with 4 of a kind has just lost (unless the board's kicker is higher than EACH player's resulting in a split pot). You could have only one table in the entire casino, and that's still going to happen more than once per year.
On line that jackpot would be hit literally every second.
Yeah, see this is the kind of hyperbole that makes it difficult/impossible to take anything you say seriously.

I still play at Foxwoods and rarely see 2 people get pocket pairs at the same time never mind 3-5.
Wow, that's amazing how you have the ability to tell what cards people have without seeing them. Maybe the players at Foxwoods know that low pocket pairs are a pretty weak hand so they are more likely to fold them and you, as an observer or participant, never know that someone just folded pocket 7's because the board shows A-K-10 and he's knows he's beat (whereas an online player probably thinks he's got a nice hand and is foolish enough to play on).

Which is the norm on-line. And I've seen people have hot seats and seem unbeatable but, for the most part the pots are spread around the table. On-line you ALWAYS see one seat favored.
Again, this is the kind of hyperbole that makes it impossible to take what you say seriously. Not to mention that there would be no motive for an online site to favor one particular seat (unless your contention is the ridiculous notion that they are favoring a player acting as a shill for the casino).

They don't fear getting caught because it is almost impossible to prove. My experience of literally 1000s of hours of play with real decks in a real poker rooms is what proves to me what I'm seeing is not right.
Sounds to me like you're just another delusional gambler who only sees what he wants to see.

But, it isn't proof to anyone else. And there will always be people like you that just insist it isn't and couldn't be rigged. But, who's regulating them? None of them are based in the U.S. And actually by their nature are illegal in the U.S. already.
You're putting words in my mouth. I never said such a thing couldn't be accomplished. What I said was that there was no real motivation to do so and it would provide an infinitesimely small reward with a ridiculously high risk so no well-established poker website would be stupid enough to do such a thing.

I played at Mohegan when they had a poker room. It was so small it was hardly worth the trip. To me, I see no difference in any casino. They all look the same on the inside. I've been hearing for years now that Mohegan is going to open a new poker room. I'll believe it when I see it.
Well they are building an entirely new building (The Casino of the Wind) and the new poker room will be incorporated therein. This has been the plan for about 24 months now so I guess that explains why you've been hearing it "for years". I don't know why you find it so tough to believe given the popularity of poker that one of the biggest casinos in the world would seek to add a poker room...
 
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You're funny QuiGon. You are entitled to your opinion (and no matter how highly you obviously think of yourself that's all it is. Your opinion.) But, don't insinuate that I would actually make up anything I post here or anywhere. If you'd like when I get a chance I will take pictures of my poker room card from The Orleans and the jacket and hat I won playing poker there if that helps you. :rolleyes: Because believe me YOU'RE the one who has no clue what you are talking about.
 

QuiGon

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You're funny QuiGon. You are entitled to your opinion (and no matter how highly you obviously think of yourself that's all it is. Your opinion.) But, don't insinuate that I would actually make up anything I post here or anywhere.
This from the guy who thinks only once per year did someone lose with Aces Full of Jacks (or better) in a major casino's poker room. Yeah. Right. Sure. :rolleyes:

Hell, I saw the very thing happen at Foxwoods only 3 nights ago. I had A-K, my opponent had A-Q, board came A-A-Q-K-blank. I got lucky on the turn and I made a small fortune. But I guess that only happens once per year at The Orleans. :rolleyes:

If you'd like when I get a chance I will take pictures of my poker room card from The Orleans and the jacket and hat I won playing poker there if that helps you.
ooooo... you won a jacket and a hat...?!? Wow. :rolleyes: And here all I've won is several thousands of dollars...
Because believe me YOU'RE the one who has no clue what you are talking about.
Wow. The "I know you are but what am I?" defense. Considering the obscene lack of intelligence and thought in your previous posts, I didn't expect anything less.

It's obvious you have more brick-and-mortar experience than I do. It's equally obvious that I have more online experience than you do. I have seen some pretty strange stuff - in both settings. If you want to live the life of a paranoid conspiracy theorist convinced everyone in the world is out to get you and there is a grand international conspiracy to rob you of your $100, then you have a Constitutional Right to wallow in ignorance.
 

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This from the guy who thinks only once per year did someone lose with Aces Full of Jacks (or better) in a major casino's poker room. Yeah. Right. Sure. :rolleyes:

Hell, I saw the very thing happen at Foxwoods only 3 nights ago. I had A-K, my opponent had A-Q, board came A-A-Q-K-blank. I got lucky on the turn and I made a small fortune. But I guess that only happens once per year at The Orleans. :rolleyes:

ooooo... you won a jacket and a hat...?!? Wow. :rolleyes: And here all I've won is several thousands of dollars... Wow. The "I know you are but what am I?" defense. Considering the obscene lack of intelligence and thought in your previous posts, I didn't expect anything less.

It's obvious you have more brick-and-mortar experience than I do. It's equally obvious that I have more online experience than you do. I have seen some pretty strange stuff - in both settings. If you want to live the life of a paranoid conspiracy theorist convinced everyone in the world is out to get you and there is a grand international conspiracy to rob you of your $100, then you have a Constitutional Right to wallow in ignorance.


For a bad beat jackpot you would be required to have a pocket pair. When I lived in Vegas I literally made my living playing poker. I never worked at a job one day there and I had a nice modern apartment and bought a brand new 2003 car which I paid $15,000 for and paid cash. AND THAT IS THE GOD's HONEST TRUTH. So no I'm not trying to impress you and you certainly are not impressing me. Believe what you want about on-line poker I couldn't care less.
 

QuiGon

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For a bad beat jackpot you would be required to have a pocket pair.
Ohhhhh.... so now you're changing what you said before... you've gone from (direct quote, your words) "They ran a bad beat jackpot there and if you lost with As full of J or better you would win the jackpot" to "you would be required to have a pocket pair"... another reason it's impossible to take what you say seriously... but yeah, I am sure you see such a situation on line (another direct quote, your words) "literally every second"... do you even know what "literally" means...?

Do you know how stupid you sound saying "you can go an hour without seeing a single player with a pocket pair and then all of a sudden"...? I mean, does every player that folds his hand reveal it to you, so somehow you know any and every single pocket pair that was or wasn't folded...? That's an amazing ability... Can I get software for that or something...?

When I lived in Vegas I literally made my living playing poker. I never worked at a job one day there and I had a nice modern apartment and bought a brand new 2003 car which I paid $15,000 for and paid cash. AND THAT IS THE GOD's HONEST TRUTH. So no I'm not trying to impress you and you certainly are not impressing me. Believe what you want about on-line poker I couldn't care less.
Well obviously you are trying to impress people since you are constantly stating "I won this, I won that, I played for hours, I made a living playing poker, I won a hat, I bought a car, etc, etc..." Sounds to me like the only one you're fooling is yourself. :rolleyes:

I used to know a guy who was convinced the NFL was fixed. He would take every single fluke play that happened and use it as evidence that he was right. You sound exactly like him.
 

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