46 Man Roster (updated to 49) - Lots Of Room At The End Of The Roster

[captain stone]

Any chance of saving that space and keeping Bates on the PS, instead? I couldn't imagine too many scenarios where he wouldn't make it through.

Sure, though the question posed was: pick 5 from the following 8; so I did.

If there were manpower needs at other positions, then I absolutely would send Bates through waivers with the hope of re-signing him to the PS. I would even understand,
if not exactly agree, if Roberts were kept ahead of Bates. Under NO circumstances, however, do I want either Grossem or Freeny on my 53.

 

[supafly]

Under NO circumstances, however, do I want either Grossem or Freeny on my 53.

You may have to live with one of them for STs purposes, Captain.

 

[Deus Irae]

The best part of this thread is that BB's history tells us that the last few players on 53 may not even be coming from the group that's already here and, yet, people are battling it out about #47-#53.

 

[BTTA]

The best part of this thread is that BB's history tells us that the last few players on 53 may not even be coming from the group that's already hear and, yet, people are battling it out about #47-#53.

Yup, and we do it every year. The same is true for the PS, which often has many players cut by other teams.

 

[BlueThunder]

HEY,

It gives us something to ponder....If you already knew who the 53 locks were in preseason, it would be no fun

 

[supafly]

So, the biggest wildcard as usual is who may be placed on IR. We already know that Rivers' spot is up for grabs. We also know that Garcia has been battling an injury and wasn't even able to make it through the walk through last week. Hightower still hasn't been taken off of PUP, and Gilleslee is dealing with an injury that can be nagging at a position of great depth. Slater is certainly someone who may be IR'ed.

Any of those players could end up opening more spots that need to be filled.

For now, we assume that injuries to Solder, Roberts, and Wise aren't serious and that they're on the right side of things.

 

[luuked]

For now, we assume that injuries to Solder, Roberts, and Wise aren't serious and that they're on the right side of things.

Guess I missed something about Roberts but last I read was that he was carted into the locker room with serious pain and a rib injury. Sounds to me like at least broken ribs and a move to the IR.

 

[supafly]

Guess I missed something about Roberts but last I read was that he was carted into the locker room with serious pain and a rip injury. Sounds to me like at least broken rips and a move to the IR.

If it's broken ribs, we can add him to the list, as well. I hadn't heard anything about broken ribs just yet, however.

 

[mgteich]

As I said in the initial post, there are lots of open spots at the bottom of the roster. Slater is on my list, and may be on IR, leaving only 45 "almost locks" for me.

It seems that there will be plenty of room at the bottom of the roster.

Also, as usual, their will be lots of transactions between cut day and Game 1, and even Game 2. And yes, there will be many transactions through the year. It seems likely that at least a couple will make the 53, and THEN be put on IR. I believe that this avoids the waiver wire. Slater, Roberts, Garcia, Rivers and Mitchell all seem to be potential candidates for this treatment. I would expect Hightower to be on the roster even if injured. We need him as soon as he is healthy, although many of us would prefer to save him for the end of the season and playoffs.

So, the biggest wildcard as usual is who may be placed on IR. We already know that Rivers' spot is up for grabs. We also know that Garcia has been battling an injury and wasn't even able to make it through the walk through last week. Hightower still hasn't been taken off of PUP, and Gilleslee is dealing with an injury that can be nagging at a position of great depth. Slater is certainly someone who may be IR'ed.

Any of those players could end up opening more spots that need to be filled.

For now, we assume that injuries to Solder, Roberts, and Wise aren't serious and that they're on the right side of things.

 

[farn]

I hope Slater isn't on IR. He adds production, but also leadership. And - for a gunner at his age - an IR could even mean the end of the road in a Pat's uniform. Having said that : every week off the field adds to the concern 2017 might be Slater-less.

 

[mgteich]

I hope Slater isn't on IR. He adds production, but also leadership. And - for a gunner at his age - an IR could even mean the end of the road in a Pat's uniform. Having said that : every week off the field adds to the concern 2017 might be Slater-less.

Being on IR would mean that Slater is paid for the year. I'm fine with him coming back in the last half of the season.

 

[The Gr8est]

As I said in the initial post, there are lots of open spots at the bottom of the roster. Slater is on my list, and may be on IR, leaving only 45 "almost locks" for me.

It seems that there will be plenty of room at the bottom of the roster.

Also, as usual, their will be lots of transactions between cut day and Game 1, and even Game 2. And yes, there will be many transactions through the year. It seems likely that at least a couple will make the 53, and THEN be put on IR. I believe that this avoids the waiver wire. Slater, Roberts, Garcia, Rivers and Mitchell all seem to be potential candidates for this treatment. I would expect Hightower to be on the roster even if injured. We need him as soon as he is healthy, although many of us would prefer to save him for the end of the season and playoffs.

So players cannot be put directly on IR without first being on the 53, or do they need to be on the 53 to be eligible to return?

I'm thinking it's the latter, and we can put injured players on IR now if we know we won't need them later.

 

[mgteich]

So players cannot be put directly on IR without first being on the 53, or do they need to be on the 53 to be eligible to return?

I'm thinking it's the latter, and we can put injured players on IR now if we know we won't need them later.

My understanding that putting someone on IR before the cut would mean that the player would go through waivers. Usually, injured players aren't picked up, although Belichick has done so. I would think that a playoff team would claim Slater. A young team would claim Garcia or Rivers.

 

[mgteich]

CHANGES
1) Add O'Shaughnessy
2) Add Fleming
3) Add Ealy
4) Add Langi
5) Add C Jones

ROSTER (51 plus 2 open)
There will roster spots opening after some roster players are put on IR (e.g Rivers). The final cuts at cut time could really be anyone. The cut day choices have more to with roster tactics and strategy than the individual players. As far as need, I would think that we 2-3 more special teamers. We might even cut down to 51 anticipating signing players from other teams.

OFFENSE (24)
(3) QB - Brady, Garappolo, Brissett
(5) RB/FB - White, Gillislie, Burkhead, Lewis, Develin
(5) WR - Cooks, Edelman, Hogan, Mitchell, Amendola(PR)
(3) TE - Gronkowski, Allen, O'Shaughnessy
(8) OL - Solder, Thuney, Andrews, Mason, Cannon, Garcia, Karras, Fleming

DEFENSE (21)
(4) DT - Branch, Brown, Valentine, Guy
(4) DE - Flowers, Wise, Ealy, Rivers
(5) LB - Hightower, Harris, Van Noy, McClellan(ST), Langi
(5) CB - Gilmore, Butler, Rowe, J Jones(ST), C Jones
(3) S - McCourty, Chung, Harmon

SPECIAL TEAMS (6)
(1) K - Gostkowski
(1) P - Allen
(1) LS - Cardona
(3) ST - Slater, Ebner, King

SOME OF THOSE COMPETING FOR THE FINAL ROSTER SPOTS (21)
WR - Carr
WR - Lucien
WR - Hollister
TE - Lengel
TE - Hollister
OT - Waddle
OT - McDermott
OG - Douglass
RB - Foster
DE/ST - Grissom
DT - Hamilton
DT - Butler
LB - Roberts
CB - Coleman
CB - Moore
CB - Killings
S - D Jones
S - Travis
SS/ST - Richards
ST - Bolden
ST/LB - Freeny

All if these are not locks. There is always the chance that they will be on IR or be beaten out. However, I believe that this 46 man team is ready to compete for a Super Bowl.

The final seven roster spots can be almost anywhere. However, one seems necessary at OT and at least two in the defensive front seven. I also think that we are short 2-3 ST specialists, but that's just me (and likely Belichick).

ROSTER (46 plus 7 open)

OFFENSE (22)
(3) QB - Brady, Garappolo, Brissett
(5) RB/FB - White, Gillislie, Burkhead, Lewis, Develin
(5) WR - Cooks, Edelman, Hogan, Mitchell, Amendola(PR)
(2) TE - Gronkowski, Allen
(7) OL - Solder, Thuney, Andrews, Mason, Cannon, Garcia, Karras

DEFENSE (18)
(4) DT - Branch, Brown, Valentine, Guy
(2) DE - Flowers, Wise
(5) LB - Hightower, Harris, Van Noy, McClellan(ST), Rivers
(4) CB - Gilmore, Butler, Rowe, J Jones(ST)
(3) S - McCourty, Chung, Harmon

SPECIAL TEAMS (6)
(1) K - Gostkowski
(1) P - Allen
(1) LS - Cardona
(3) ST - Slater, Ebner, King

SOME OF THOSE COMPETING FOR THE FINAL SEVEN (25)
WR - Carr
WR - Lucien
WR - Hollister
TE - Lengel
TE/ST - O'Shaughnessy
TE - Hollister
OT - Fleming
OT - Waddle
OT - McDermott
OG - Douglass
RB - Foster
DE/ST - Grissom
DE - Ealy
DT - Hamilton
DT - Butler
LB - Langi
LB - Roberts
CB - Coleman
CB/ST - C Jones
CB - Moore
CB - Killings
S - D Jones
S - Travis
ST - Bolden
ST/LB - Freeny

 

[jmt57]

@mgteich

I am guessing you put Freeny in as replacement for Rivers?

 

[luuked]

My understanding that putting someone on IR before the cut would mean that the player would go through waivers. Usually, injured players aren't picked up, although Belichick has done so. I would think that a playoff team would claim Slater. A young team would claim Garcia or Rivers.

Veterans dont go through the waiver wire until the trade deadline so Slater, Bolden and others are essentially unrestricted free agents if cut and in no danger of being claimed by anyone.

 

[The Gr8est]

Veterans dont go through the waiver wire until the trade deadline so Slater, Bolden and others are essentially unrestricted free agents if cut and in no danger of being claimed by anyone.

OK, but at what point can the Pats put guys like Rivers and Garcia on IR without risking losing them?

Do they need to make the 53 before they can be put on IR?

 

[luuked]

OK, but at what point can the Pats put guys like Rivers and Garcia on IR without risking losing them?

Do they need to make the 53 before they can be put on IR?

Yes. But generally you can get around all of those issues by cutting fringe veteran players with an understanding that they will be re-signed a few days later. So it really is not that much of an issue as it looks.

 

[mgteich]

Yes. But generally you can get around all of those issues by cutting fringe veteran players with an understanding that they will be re-signed a few days later. So it really is not that much of an issue as it looks.

Which veterans are you thinking about? The risk is that another team will sign them, giving them more money and more playing time.

 

[mgteich]

To be clear, it is quite possible that none of the "competing" list make the squad, other than possibly some of the special teamers Grissom, Freeny, Richards and Bolden. These STer's could sign before or after the final cut.