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Why are some of you so sure RK's making BB start Mac? Goes against everything that has happened over the last 20 years.

That was my point between 1990 and this year, all but two games have come down to the wire, back then, not many did.

Well, it would have been different, no argument there.

Wouldn't count on finding a Mahomes, those guys don't come by very often, we'll probably never find another TB either, we just need somebody capable of executing especially when the game is on the line.

Yeah, none of us know, is it 20 mill for 5 years or just 2023, we have no idea.

Back in the 80's into the 90s we had a group that bought a bus, painted it Pats colors and went to every home game, didn't matter what their record was, we went, tailgated and cooked some good food and had fun. Sure it's much more fun when they're winning but those were some good ol days in the...

I agree with what you said but some will say they would have won 10 Super Bowls if not for Bill, they don't see the symbiotic relationship that comes along once in a lifetime.

Not necessarily, could be BB has a plan that he talked RK into. I can hear the collective groans already if that happens but don't be surprised if BB is back next year.

No argument there, it actually might be worse because they have blown winnable games, at least in 1990 you knew they didn't have a chance.

No I'm quantifying watchabilty (if that's a word) the 90 team was terrible to watch, this team has been in games, you guys are reading more into it than what I'm saying. The 90 team was worse to watch, does that make sense?

I know it is but we're comparing 90 vs 23, that's the thread title, which team is worse? 90 was a waste of Sundays, most games were over by halftime.

You guys are misunderstanding what I'm replying to, we're comparing this team to 1990, the 90 team was hardly ever in a game, this team has been.

Sure, but look back at the close games, do you think Brady pulls them off? You think if we had TB on the last drive of the Giants game we win? I'm talking in relation to the 1990 team which were getting pretty much dominated every game and didn't have a prayer.

Other than the two blowout games the Pats have been in every other game with a chance to win if we had a capable QB and a couple other players on offense.

Silly, BB just got old and things don't work like they did before.

We have a guy like that, Malik Cunningham, try him.

I don't lump Mayo in with BB, I think he's his own man and would do things his way, I'd give him a shot.

2009 was frustrating because they had talent, just didn't play to their potential.

I take what TJ says these days with a grain of salt. I'm italian, I get Italian jokes all the time, they don't bother me. Those people are just jealous they're not Italian. I just hate when they call us Eye-talians.

Patfanken, what happened to him? He's still alive playing poker? or just sick of the latest team sucking?