When I look at it like this, it makes me respect Manning a little more. Brady's 3 losses to him were with outgunned teams each time, including the ******** 2006 AFC Championship Game, but at the end of the day they're still wins.
Brady's 11 playoff losses
Peyton Manning - 3
Eli Manning - 2
I also haven't taken a look at the stats on this, but I wonder if the Packers preferred to hand the ball off at the goal line more than the average team? Could Starr have had a few 20+ TD seasons?
I think back to seasons like 2012 and 2016 with Brady where it seemed he had 5-10 touchdowns taken...
Great stuff. It seems most people always call Starr a game manager, beneficiary of his running game, and carried by his coach. I wonder where we've heard all of that before?
When Starr and the Packers won three straight championships, here's where they ranked in Rushing Y/A
The 2007 Patriots are as dominant of a team as you’re ever going to see in the salary cap era and they still had 4 close games including escaping by the skin of their teeth against the Ravens.
I find the below the most interesting when it comes to looking at the greatest quarterbacks. All three pairings had their careers overlap almost perfectly
Baugh vs Luckman
Starr vs Unitas
Elway vs Marino
Reading around various forums it seems that Luckman and Starr are seldom mentioned...
This + Light, Mankins, and Kaczur deciding to masquerade as turnstiles.
I don’t even remember at this point if Koppen and Hochstein **** the bed either. The other three getting destroyed by the defensive line is seared into my memory.
Great read. Makes me wonder if I have Brocklin too low on my 1.0 list? I have him #18 and you have him #11.
The 1950 Rams still hold the record for PPG and that was with Brocklin attempting 223 passes and Waterfield attempting 213. Each started 6 games. Talk about being split evenly.
4,633 yards, 40 touchdown passes, and a Super Bowl win with no preseason or game experience, and learning the playbook on the fly
Completely agree. With the top 10 you can say every single one of them were the best of their era or could be argued best of their era except Manning, but I’ll allow a little leeway considering who the other guy in his era is.
I also understand if someone puts Young over Manning. I have Manning...
Yeah I’m just really weird about having a correct win/loss record so I’ll admit that’s the reason a few guys were left out.
I switched Luckman’s spot on the list a lot. He went anywhere from 5-10. Like you said, he may have been greater than Baugh. Maybe I’m giving him the short end of the...
So I'll call both of these lists 1.0 because I can definitely see myself changing a few spots in the future. My criteria isn't fully finished yet either. Who knows, I may post in here a month from now with a different list.
On the all-time list I'm not going to include the following:
Buccaneers had the #1 ranked run defense the last two seasons and the gap between them and #2 each year was sizable.
Newton will need to win the game with his arm because the Patriots aren’t going to show up and run all over them like some people think.