(Alleged) Ex-Pats Employee throws mud and makes fool of himself

ScottieC · Jul 31, 2008

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smyoung said:
Hey all --

I'm going to try not to give my opinion on this too much, just wanted to share with a few things:

The Pats definitely know about this; one of the PFW writers told me about it after practice today and they were just floored at what he had done. Here's the thing (one of the things) he forgot when he did this: he has likely put Paul Perillo, Andy Hart, Erik Scalavino and now Mike Parente's jobs in jeopardy. Regardless of what you think of them, they don't deserve to lose their jobs because of what Casale did. Belichick is going to be none too happy to have that information out there, and he could very well go to Bob Kraft and say they can't fly on the team plane anymore. So then Kraft has to decide if he wants the extra expense of flying the PFW staff separately all the time, and possibly having them stay in a different hotel all the time. PFW does turn a profit currently, but having to buy (at a minimum) five round-trip plane tickets for every road game will get costly quickly...

I haven't heard of *anyone* who works in the PFW office or interacts with that group that isn't happy to have Casale gone. He really was a toxic presence and not at all a nice guy. Personally, I didn't like him at all and think that his little post is quite possibly one of the most classless things I've ever seen.

And for what it's worth, Tedy has always been nice to me. Can he be moody sometimes? Of course. But if I had people asking me the same questions over and over again I would be too at times. I also had a good relationship with Corey Dillon...

smy

SMY - As always - Great post and thanks for the info.

RayClay · Jul 31, 2008

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patsgo said:
why dont all you posters just go away, the guy posts a bunch of crap that has no revelance to anything including spygate and you guys run with it and have 236 posts while training camp is going on, you guys love misery and love to create it, i say get a life!!

There's still an account open?

That user name rung a bell, so I did a search for Patsgo Casale. lol

RayClay · Jul 31, 2008

patsgo said:
why dont all you posters just go away, the guy posts a bunch of crap that has no revelance to anything including spygate and you guys run with it and have 236 posts while training camp is going on, you guys love misery and love to create it, i say get a life!!

Alison?....

PATSNUTme · Jul 31, 2008

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As I said yesterday, I was debating, as a moderator, if I should delete and close this thread when I first saw it. I decided, and I think the other mod's share this veiw, to keep this thread active as to expose Casale for the scumbag that he is.

Having said that, I don't think Casale craziness should reflect on the others at PFW. It would be a shame if the innocent get hurt by this guy. Maybe he should have been fired a long time ago, but if you have ever been in a position to fire someone in a large organization, you know it's not that easy.

So I hope that if this thread continues you will take out your rightful anger at the person responsible, Casale and not the others at PFW. It sounds like the others at PFW may have had the slime of Casale effect them already and that is too bad.

patchick · Jul 31, 2008

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patsox23 said:
I said I wasn't going to contribute anymore to this ridiculously long thread - way to hang a lantern on this, people - but I had to respond to this. As someone who has been listening and interacting with these guys for YEARS, I think it's incredibly unfair to lay this on ANYONE but Casale himself.

This is FRED'S fault now? Because a better "manager" wouldn't have let this happen? That's asinine. If the entire board is saying, "HOLY CRAP, I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED!" how can we genuinely then say that FRED should've seen it coming. Give me a break. Let's try being fair here. Let's try being grown-ups. For once.

I think the most you can say is that Casale should have been fired for his shenanigans on this board way back when. That was more than enough grounds. (Yes, firing somebody is is excruciatingly hard and you feel like a turd. Until a few days later, when all of the good, positive, productive co-workers come to you and quietly thank you for ridding their lives of that constant headache who was making them rethink their employment options).

BUT -- all that would have done is unleashed Casale's bile that much earlier. He's obviously a "pound of flesh" guy, even when that pound of flesh is the nose off his own face. (How's THAT for a tortured metaphor!

)

Pats726 · Jul 31, 2008

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smyoung said:
Hey all --

I'm going to try not to give my opinion on this too much, just wanted to share with a few things:

The Pats definitely know about this; one of the PFW writers told me about it after practice today and they were just floored at what he had done. Here's the thing (one of the things) he forgot when he did this: he has likely put Paul Perillo, Andy Hart, Erik Scalavino and now Mike Parente's jobs in jeopardy. Regardless of what you think of them, they don't deserve to lose their jobs because of what Casale did. Belichick is going to be none too happy to have that information out there, and he could very well go to Bob Kraft and say they can't fly on the team plane anymore. So then Kraft has to decide if he wants the extra expense of flying the PFW staff separately all the time, and possibly having them stay in a different hotel all the time. PFW does turn a profit currently, but having to buy (at a minimum) five round-trip plane tickets for every road game will get costly quickly...

I haven't heard of *anyone* who works in the PFW office or interacts with that group that isn't happy to have Casale gone. He really was a toxic presence and not at all a nice guy. Personally, I didn't like him at all and think that his little post is quite possibly one of the most classless things I've ever seen.

And for what it's worth, Tedy has always been nice to me. Can he be moody sometimes? Of course. But if I had people asking me the same questions over and over again I would be too at times. I also had a good relationship with Corey Dillon...

smy

Thank you for that!!! That action really plagued me yesterday on so many levels...and I agree..I would NOT want all the others at PFW to suffer becuase of one rather rotten apple...It truly amazes me how low one can go...the limbo of total claslessness...I think one has to go a LONG way to come close to this one..Thanks again for your words..they are always helpful, insightful and much welcomed at this board....

fgssand · Jul 31, 2008

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I think this post from someone early on in the comments section really go to him...guiess he got what he deserved:

posted by tomcasalesux on 07/30/2008 5:05 AM

Tommy, Tommy Tommy - you have just been exposed for the rat that you are. where are you facts, where is your proof??
You come across just like your buddy Matt Walsh, a disgruntled ex-employee.
Tell the truth now, you were let go from Patriots Football weekly and ended up on this gambling site because of your indescretions in Foxboro, not to mention your piss poor writing.
We all know how you hit on lady fans following the team and tried to cross gender by hitting on a certain rookie WR a few years ago.
Or what about the late night drinking and drug spells that led you to Patriot fan sites where you were outed with various screen names one of which was actual called "allisonlovesbrady", all so you could poke fun at the team and fans.
Admit it now, so everyone knows why you wrote what you wrote without one shred of fact.

http://pregame.com/forums/blogs/tom...x?gn=376875&CommentPosted=true#commentmessage

PatsWickedPissah · Jul 31, 2008

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smyoung said:
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The Pats definitely know about this; one of the PFW writers told me about it after practice today and they were just floored at what he had done. Here's the thing (one of the things) he forgot when he did this: he has likely put Paul Perillo, Andy Hart, Erik Scalavino and now Mike Parente's jobs in jeopardy. Regardless of what you think of them, they don't deserve to lose their jobs because of what Casale did. Belichick is going to be none too happy to have that information out there, and he could very well go to Bob Kraft and say they can't fly on the team plane anymore.

I haven't heard of *anyone* who works in the PFW office or interacts with that group that isn't happy to have Casale gone. He really was a toxic presence and not at all a nice guy. Personally, I didn't like him at all and think that his little post is quite possibly one of the most classless things I've ever seen. smy

I sincerely hope that the good people working at PFW do not lose their jobs, however there is at least one person there who should be fired. Given the internal office turmoil and outside public activities of the recently departed one, Fred should have dealt with that situation years ago. A weak, indecisive manager ruins an organization and in doing so costs good people their jobs through no fault of their own. Being the big guy has tremendous responsibilities to the organization and to the employees. He failed spectacularly in both aspects.

As someone in senior management who has had to deal with disruptive employee situations rife with political overtones, I can say that it's not easy (often there's an "influential" politically powerful mentor shielding the offender) but it's part of the job of senior management. Do the job, or find another.

Again, best wishes to the working employees of PFW.

P.S. MoLewisRocks nailed it when he said that Kraft needs a wake up call and should hire a professional media VP. Too many of the folks broadcasting and covering the Patriots have been infected by a sick culture of negativism.

MoLewisrocks · Jul 31, 2008

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Just so we all understand, any consequences the PFW crew may have to face are not the result of folks here expressing their opinion. Let's not flatter ourselves into thinking our opinions really matter. They will be the consequence of hiring this obviously vindictive and unstable jerk and then choosing to continue to employ him for three seasons during which most everyone now agrees he was a toxic presence. And I'm sorry but the responsibility for that lies with one guy. This organization is all about accountability, no? That's how accountability work folks.

Belioli didn't hire Walsh but they kept him on even though he had some red flag baggage and wasn't terribly good at what he did in essentially an entry level position. For that they were certainly held accountable and paid a substantial price. Albeit one many in the media felt was insufficient. Funny how when the shoe is on the other foot the media cringes at the prospect of consequences. Just ask Tomase and those who rushed to his defense beacuse shucks, he just made a mistake...

Rob0729 · Jul 31, 2008

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patsox23 said:
I said I wasn't going to contribute anymore to this ridiculously long thread - way to hang a lantern on this, people - but I had to respond to this. As someone who has been listening and interacting with these guys for YEARS, I think it's incredibly unfair to lay this on ANYONE but Casale himself.

This is FRED'S fault now? Because a better "manager" wouldn't have let this happen? That's asinine. If the entire board is saying, "HOLY CRAP, I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED!" how can we genuinely then say that FRED should've seen it coming. Give me a break. Let's try being fair here. Let's try being grown-ups. For once.

Fred Kirsch is not at fault for not being a better manager, but Fred probably should have fired Casale or at least severely reprimanded him with some kind of suspension when the whole Mrs. B thing cropped up. It was a big black mark on the PFW organization and showed that Casale didn't have the professionalism to be a journalist covering an NFL team.

Now Fred obviously isn't responsible for anything Casale writes after he leaves PFW. But from all reports, it was well known that Casale was a "toxic" influence inside the four walls of the PFW offices. He and others probably did see something like this coming, but hoped it wouldn't. Fred's only fault is not getting rid of Casale a lot sooner than he did and it sounds like many in PFW agree, possibly even Kirsch.

Personally, I am not shocked that Casale wrote what he wrote. I really don't know how anyone else can be.

I know Kirsch has a long history with the Krafts and they trust him with a pretty important piece of the Patriots operation. I think his employment with the Krafts even predates his tenure with the Patriots. That carries a lot of weight to the type of person he is. But even the best managers makes a mistake or two. Kirsch's seems is to be that he didn't get rid of Casale fast enough. But then again, even if he fired him a year or two ago, it doesn't mean Casale wouldn't have done a similiar thing.

Sean Pa Patriot · Jul 31, 2008

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Rob0729 said:
Fred Kirsch is not at fault for not being a better manager, but Fred probably should have fired Casale or at least severely reprimanded him with some kind of suspension when the whole Mrs. B thing cropped up. It was a big black mark on the PFW organization and showed that Casale didn't have the professionalism to be a journalist covering an NFL team.

Now Fred obviously isn't responsible for anything Casale writes after he leaves PFW. But from all reports, it was well known that Casale was a "toxic" influence inside the four walls of the PFW offices. He and others probably did see something like this coming, but hoped it wouldn't. Fred's only fault is not getting rid of Casale a lot sooner than he did and it sounds like many in PFW agree, possibly even Kirsch.

Personally, I am not shocked that Casale wrote what he wrote. I really don't know how anyone else can be.

I know Kirsch has a long history with the Krafts and they trust him with a pretty important piece of the Patriots operation. I think his employment with the Krafts even predates his tenure with the Patriots. That carries a lot of weight to the type of person he is. But even the best managers makes a mistake or two. Kirsch's seems is to be that he didn't get rid of Casale fast enough. But then again, even if he fired him a year or two ago, it doesn't mean Casale wouldn't have done a similiar thing.

Very true, I just wish on the show, they did not make him out to be such a hero, should have stuck to more Pats talk, less lunch and tom bits

Rob0729 · Jul 31, 2008

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Apparently Casale's antics did reach the Boston Globe today. From their Celebrity News section (isn't that generous of the Globe to actually consider Casale a celebrity):

Un-Patriotic exit
What's in the water bottles at Gillette Stadium? First, former video assistant Matt Walsh betrayed the team by turning over tapes of opposing coaches' signals. Now, a staff writer at Patriots Football Weekly, the team's in-house publication, is walking out the door with a few choice words. Tom Casale, who wrote for the pub for three years, posted a profanity-filled screed yesterday in which he trashed Tedy Bruschi, among other players, and called coach Bill Belichick a "miserable person." Casale, whose last day as a team employee was Tuesday, posted his bizarre dispatch on the website of his new employer, Pregame.com, a Las Vegas-based sports and betting site. Pats spokesman Stacey James told us yesterday he was aware of the post, but didn't care to comment on it. Casale didn't return our phone calls. In his online rant, he claims to have "no axes to grind," but then goes on to grind a few. He says Bruschi is more popular with fans than with his teammates, and he adds Corey Dillon, Willie McGinest, Pierre Woods, Mike Vrabel, Dan Koppen, and Stephen Gostkowski to his list of current and former Pats players who're unpleasant to deal with. (He uses an unprintable epithet.) Casale, who had a rep for occasionally pillorying the Pats while writing for PFW, contends that the real team leaders are Tom Brady, Matt Light, Richard Seymour, and Rodney Harrison. Of Belichick, he writes: "The guy may not be a great human being, but there is no one else I would want coaching my football team."

http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2008/07/31/uplifting_message/

JAYHAWKS34 · Jul 31, 2008

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"The guy may not be a great human being, but there is no one else I would want coaching my football team."

Serious you trash the entire patriots organization then say this..

PatriotsReign · Jul 31, 2008

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patsox23 said:
I said I wasn't going to contribute anymore to this ridiculously long thread - way to hang a lantern on this, people ... Let's try being grown-ups. For once.

I've said this for almost a year now, this board has a bunch of girly gossip-mongers who just love to chat about nothing. I know it's a boring time of the season, but we've done this even DURING the season.

Like the stupid Randy Moss hurts lady's pinky NON-story. I bet we had a thousand posts in one day on that. Remember we even had people calling the police down in FL? What kind of fans do that? I think some people want to be reporters here.

Oh yeah, and remember the thread on some guy who was posting on Patriots Planet and we gossiped for days over whether he was an "inside guy"?

FYI...this is NOT a story folks, but DAMN y'all sure are doing your best to make it one!

JAYHAWKS34 · Jul 31, 2008

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PatriotsReign said:
I've said this for almost a year now, this board has a bunch of girly gossip-mongers who just love to chat about nothing. I know it's a boring time of the season, but we've done this even DURING the season.

Like the stupid Randy Moss hurts lady's pinky NON-story. I bet we had a thousand posts in one day on that. Remember we even had people calling the police down in FL? What kind of fans do that? I think some people want to be reporters here.

Oh yeah, and remember the thread on some guy who was posting on Patriots Planet and we gossiped for days over whether he was an "inside guy"?

FYI...this is NOT a story folks, but DAMN y'all sure are doing your best to make it one!

no one forces you to read this thread and comment on it ,apparently you are above everyone else but continue to post weird……..

PatriotsReign · Jul 31, 2008

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JAYHAWKS34 said:
no one forces you to read this thread and comment on it ,apparently you are above everyone else but continue to post weird……..

WTF????

You've been here what...2 weeks and you say I "continue to post wierd"?

You're right no one forces me to read any thread, but my observations of girlie gossipping is still accurate. So try to respond to the content of my post rather than feebly attempting to attack me.

Care to counter my claim about the Randy Moss or the "Insider" threads?

MoLewisrocks · Jul 31, 2008

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Rob0729 said:
Fred Kirsch is not at fault for not being a better manager, but Fred probably should have fired Casale or at least severely reprimanded him with some kind of suspension when the whole Mrs. B thing cropped up. It was a big black mark on the PFW organization and showed that Casale didn't have the professionalism to be a journalist covering an NFL team.

OK, that makes perfect sense...

Now Fred obviously isn't responsible for anything Casale writes after he leaves PFW. But from all reports, it was well known that Casale was a "toxic" influence inside the four walls of the PFW offices. He and others probably did see something like this coming, but hoped it wouldn't. Fred's only fault is not getting rid of Casale a lot sooner than he did and it sounds like many in PFW agree, possibly even Kirsch.

Hindsight is always 20/20. It's generally not what top managers are paid to have. That would be foresight.

Personally, I am not shocked that Casale wrote what he wrote. I really don't know how anyone else can be.

:agree:

I know Kirsch has a long history with the Krafts and they trust him with a pretty important piece of the Patriots operation. I think his employment with the Krafts even predates his tenure with the Patriots. That carries a lot of weight to the type of person he is. But even the best managers makes a mistake or two. Kirsch's seems is to be that he didn't get rid of Casale fast enough. But then again, even if he fired him a year or two ago, it doesn't mean Casale wouldn't have done a similiar thing.

If he never hired him it would speak volumes to his capacity to run this operation. Had he canned him as toxic waste in his first season I doubt he'd have found any other employment remotely in the field from which do to such a thing. If he'd been publicly reprimanded and suspended for his antics here that too would have sent a message regarding his character that some like his new employer and devoted fan base might have taken sufficient note of.

Sean Pa Pats said:
Very true, I just wish on the show, they did not make him out to be such a hero, should have stuck to more Pats talk, less lunch and tom bits

If that isn't an indictment on them all I don't know what is. Everyone says he was toxic in hindsight yet they treated him like a talent they were fortunate to have snagged to the point half the fan base bought in...

Rob0729 said:
Apparently Casale's antics did reach the Boston Globe today. From their Celebrity News section (isn't that generous of the Globe to actually consider Casale a celebrity):

And they apparently didn't catch the earliest unedited version with his walkthrough coverup crap and the threat to call senator comcast... LOL

PatriotsReign said:
FYI...this is NOT a story folks, but DAMN y'all sure are doing your best to make it one!

Want to bet?

I bet it's pretty uncomfortable in the bowels of Gillette today. As well it should be. People who don't acknowledge and learn from their mistakes are destined to repeat them. That head in the sand mentality you preach is the reason things don't get corrected or improved within an organization.

BadMoFo · Jul 31, 2008

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PatriotsReign said:
I've said this for almost a year now, this board has a bunch of girly gossip-mongers who just love to chat about nothing. I know it's a boring time of the season, but we've done this even DURING the season.

Like the stupid Randy Moss hurts lady's pinky NON-story. I bet we had a thousand posts in one day on that. Remember we even had people calling the police down in FL? What kind of fans do that? I think some people want to be reporters here.

Oh yeah, and remember the thread on some guy who was posting on Patriots Planet and we gossiped for days over whether he was an "inside guy"?

FYI...this is NOT a story folks, but DAMN y'all sure are doing your best to make it one!

We may not agree on some things, but, damn, you are right on here.

I remember that Randy Moss thing. People were near ready to call the woman ... at 4 a.m. Crazy!

HaliPats · Jul 31, 2008

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Just posted in Deadspin, not good.
http://deadspin.com/5031384/theres-...ape-merciful-jesus-anoint-my-eyes-with-clorox

Clonamery · Jul 31, 2008

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PatriotsReign said:
WTF????

You've been here what...2 weeks and you say I "continue to post wierd"?

You're right no one forces me to read any thread, but my observations of girlie gossipping is still accurate. So try to respond to the content of my post rather than feebly attempting to attack me.

Care to counter my claim about the Randy Moss or the "Insider" threads?

On this forum, everyone is entitled to an equal opinion if it is within the bounds of the site rules set up by Ian. Sorry but YOU and I do not set what is appropriate or what is a story.

Reality check: a story usually has it's own legs.....outside the walls of this joint.

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