Mark Schlereth, Two-faced liar

PatriotsReign said:

What these 2 sites do not address is that there is a natural limit to muscle mass gain for everyone. All the protein powders & weight lifting in the world won't get one beyond that limit. You can't add 40% of your body weight in muscle in a year, period.

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Deus Irae said:

1.) He was out for about 2.5 years

2.) You should have read the article rather than just posting based upon a knee-jerk reaction. You'll notice that at the time of the Q&A, he'd gone from a low of 235 back up to about 275. He was still working on putting weight back on.

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PatriotsReign said:

YOUR original comment stated that he was back up to 300 lbs.

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Deus Irae said:

Let's see... another example of bulking up, and let's make this one a Patriot:

According to Patriots.com, Bruce Armstrong was a tight end at Louisville for two seasons, playing at about 240. Schnellenberger moved him to tackle 3 days into spring drills as a junior. In the NFL, he played at 295.

http://www.patriots.com/alumni/index.cfm?ac=alumnibiosdetail&bio=591

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Deus Irae said:

No, it didn't. Read it again, and stop putting words into my 'mouth'. For crying out loud, you used the quote in one of your posts and you're still getting it wrong.

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PatriotsReign said:

Deus,

you actually didn't say how much he bulked back up, but you made the statement sound as if he had "bounced" back near his original weight. Go read it. Also consider that we were discussing guys who had lost a lot of weight and then put it back on quickly.

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Deus Irae said:

Please stop. This is getting ridiculous. I never said he got back to 300 pounds. You now admit that. The amount he'd bulked back up was in the story that you claimed you'd read. That story was linked to in my post. If you'd really read the story, you wouldn't have been talking about a 70 pound gain. You screwed up. It happens. Rather than dig the hole deeper by trying to turn it back on me again, just let it go.

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PatriotsReign said:

I'd bet Armstrong was on juice. I know this, steriod abuse is much more prevelant in the NFL than in the NBL. You agree with that?

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Deus Irae said:

They began testing for steroids in '87 with the punishments kicking in in '89. Armstrong was a rookie in '87. Now, if you want to claim that he beat steroid tests all his career, that's your call. I refuse to go down that road.

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PatriotsReign said:

And steroids have been banned from the NCAA, the olympics, the tour de France...you name it. But it's never stopped. I have a deep, deep hatred of steroid use in any form. It is cheating and the cost is one's integrity & health. I see steroid users as no different than cocaine or heroin users. There all illegal substances and dangerous.

If I knew someone who sold steroids, I would drop a dime on them immediately and feel very, very good about myself.

So I don't mind going down that road at all. Why do you? Because he was a Patriot?

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MNF said:

I emailed Mark and asked him about this double standard between the Broncos breaking the rules in the '90s and the Patriots with "spygate". Here's his response:

You make afair point, however I think there is a huge differance between
the infractions. Denver made an agreement with two of it's players on
defered compensation that those star players agreed to. This is a
practice that happens around the league on every team...The player will
defer a portion of salary to be collected at a later date in return he
collects intrest on that money...The league had a problem not with the
defering of money but with the amount and frequency with which the Broncos
defered money.

I think it's a bit different than the whole spygate issue and taping
signals, but since the Pats lost the SB it has become a non issue.

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MNF said:

I emailed Mark and asked him about this double standard between the Broncos breaking the rules in the '90s and the Patriots with "spygate". Here's his response:

You make afair point, however I think there is a huge differance between
the infractions. Denver made an agreement with two of it's players on
defered compensation that those star players agreed to. This is a
practice that happens around the league on every team...The player will
defer a portion of salary to be collected at a later date in return he
collects intrest on that money...The league had a problem not with the
defering of money but with the amount and frequency with which the Broncos
defered money.

I think it's a bit different than the whole spygate issue and taping
signals, but since the Pats lost the SB it has become a non issue.

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MNF said:

I emailed Mark and asked him about this double standard between the Broncos breaking the rules in the '90s and the Patriots with "spygate". Here's his response:

You make afair point, however I think there is a huge differance between
the infractions. Denver made an agreement with two of it's players on
defered compensation that those star players agreed to. This is a
practice that happens around the league on every team...The player will
defer a portion of salary to be collected at a later date in return he
collects intrest on that money...The league had a problem not with the
defering of money but with the amount and frequency with which the Broncos
defered money.

I think it's a bit different than the whole spygate issue and taping
signals, but since the Pats lost the SB it has become a non issue.

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Deus Irae said:

No, because I'm not stupid enough to think I know everyone who's on steroids just by looking at them and I think one shouldn't make serious accusations against someone without legitimate evidence unless they were an actual participant in the incident.

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Koma said:

Thanks for doing that.

Schlereth certainly knows more about the situation than fans do, but his rationalization of a "huge difference" between the two situations is interesting.

Change the last sentence in the first paragraph of his response to "The league had a problem not with the theft of signals but with the location and method with which the Patriots stole signals" and the difference doesn't appear to be that huge.

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MNF said:

I emailed Mark and asked him about this double standard between the Broncos breaking the rules in the '90s and the Patriots with "spygate". Here's his response:

You make afair point, however I think there is a huge differance between
the infractions. Denver made an agreement with two of it's players on
defered compensation that those star players agreed to. This is a
practice that happens around the league on every team...The player will
defer a portion of salary to be collected at a later date in return he
collects intrest on that money...The league had a problem not with the
defering of money but with the amount and frequency with which the Broncos
defered money.

I think it's a bit different than the whole spygate issue and taping
signals, but since the Pats lost the SB it has become a non issue.

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PatriotsReign said:

So then what are you stupid enough to think? I don't accuse a single player, I accuse professional sports. I said I'd bet Armstrong was juiced because "I" believe most NFL linemen are juiced.

Just look at the players from the late 60's & early 70's and compare them to today's players. You would laugh if you saw them side by side. Advanced nutrition & workout science is not responsible for this. That is a FACT.

toodles...

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