Peter on Kraft/BB's explanations

SVN said:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/04/06/labor/2.html

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If Peter Queen isn't buying BB's explanation, then what explanation will he buy? I mean, what exactly does he think the Pats were doing? The only conclusion at which I can arrive is that the Queen actually believes that they were using the tapes for 2nd-half adjustments in the same game. IOW, they were Cheating. If that's how he feels, then why isn't he man (or woman) enough to admit this?

What an effeminate, sanctimonious coward. Another self-thought "voice of his generation".

I no longer care what Peter King thinks. He's dead to me.

Fixed it for ya.

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This type of response is smug and unproductive. I don't see why anybody thinks it accomplishes anything or why it's used, unless half of the internet population are smarmy smirkers.

Remember: football talk in the football forum, political talk in the political forum.

You're welcome.

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Those are examples of a methodology of smearing that are in line with King's unfounded "suspicions" - the details of the examples are irrelevant. Replace them with anything that suits your political sensitivities and the point will still be valid. I think you're over-interpreting here as it was not an inherently political statement.

captain stone said:

If Peter Queen isn't buying BB's explanation, then what explanation will he buy? I mean, what exactly does he think the Pats were doing? The only conclusion at which I can arrive is that the Queen actually believes that they were using the tapes for 2nd-half adjustments in the same game. IOW, they were Cheating. If that's how he feels, then why isn't he man (or woman) enough to admit this?

What an effeminate, sanctimonious coward. Another self-thought "voice of his generation".

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Exactly. Remember during the season when King b!tched and b!tched because BB said nothing. Every week he was on his high f'ing horse about how "we the fans" deserved an explanation. Now that BB gives one, he doesn't buy it.

I am not gonna lie and say I am gonna quit reading him, because every Monday I will click on his MMQB...he does get some good stuff and as far as sports columns go, it's pretty good. But it really opens my eyes to how bias he is and how much of a Pats Homer* he isn't.

*- That footballfanetic troll tried telling me King is a Pats homer. One of the dumber troll comments I have read on here.

blackglass3 said:

Exactly. Remember during the season when King b!tched and b!tched because BB said nothing. Every week he was on his high f'ing horse about how "we the fans" deserved an explanation. Now that BB gives one, he doesn't buy it.

I am not gonna lie and say I am gonna quit reading him, because every Monday I will click on his MMQB...he does get some good stuff and as far as sports columns go, it's pretty good. But it really opens my eyes to how bias he is and how much of a Pats Homer* he isn't.

*- That footballfanetic troll tried telling me King is a Pats homer. One of the dumber troll comments I have read on here.

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Don't quote me out of context--I said and will maintain that King is generally a Pats homer. I have no doubt that next to his Sox posters in his room as a boy he had ones of the Pats as well. The way he used to gush over Brady and Belichick in his column made most of the rest of us sick. Go look up some of his old columns--he used to have three that he rotated, one on how far above everyone else the Pats were as an organization, one on how great P. Manning is and one on how Brett is the greatest QB ever and such a neat guy.

What I went on to say, however, and what you're not crediting above, is that on Spygate he's actually been evenhanded (from a non-Pats fan's perspective)--you all may take issue with the evenhandedness point, but he has not been a Pats homer on that issue, which I freely admitted and stated.

FootballFanetic said:

Don't quote me out of context--I said and will maintain that King is generally a Pats homer. I have no doubt that next to his Sox posters in his room as a boy he had ones of the Pats as well. The way he used to gush over Brady and Belichick in his column made most of the rest of us sick. Go look up some of his old columns--he used to have three that he rotated, one on how far above everyone else the Pats were as an organization, one on how great P. Manning is and one on how Brett is the greatest QB ever and such a neat guy.

What I went on to say, however, and what you're not crediting above, is that on Spygate he's actually been evenhanded (from a non-Pats fan's perspective)--you all may take issue with the evenhandedness point, but he has not been a Pats homer on that issue, which I freely admitted and stated.

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Until spygate, King was a huge Pats homer - he couldn't stop gushing about the team, players and organization. You're 100% right on the first part.

On the second, while King hasn't been as atavistic as, say, Easterbrook, he hasn't been particularly objective either. His penchant for moralizing, lazy thinking, and convenient explanations caught up with him on spygate and resulted in a lot of bad journalism which, in my opinion, is not evenhanded. From the perspective of the hysterical journalism of ESPN, maybe so, but from the perspective of good journalism, fact based reporting, and reasonable conclusions, probably not.

FootballFanetic said:

Don't quote me out of context--I said and will maintain that King is generally a Pats homer. I have no doubt that next to his Sox posters in his room as a boy he had ones of the Pats as well. The way he used to gush over Brady and Belichick in his column made most of the rest of us sick. Go look up some of his old columns--he used to have three that he rotated, one on how far above everyone else the Pats were as an organization, one on how great P. Manning is and one on how Brett is the greatest QB ever and such a neat guy.
What I went on to say, however, and what you're not crediting above, is that on Spygate he's actually been evenhanded (from a non-Pats fan's perspective)--you all may take issue with the evenhandedness point, but he has not been a Pats homer on that issue, which I freely admitted and stated.

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And as I said before, what was he supposed to talk about besides those 3 things these last few years? The Pats are (or at very least, were) MILES above every other orginazation. Peyton Manning IS one of the greatest QB's ever. Favre also IS one of the greatest QB's of all time, plus likes King and sends him text messages. Besides the Steelers (who I think he is the biggest fan of, IMHO), what has gone on in the NFL these last 5 years?

What do you want him to write about? The explicit mediocrity of the Bills? The Chiefs demise from decent to awful? The way the team to come out of the NFC South sucks every year?

blackglass3 said:

I am not gonna lie and say I am gonna quit reading him, because every Monday I will click on his MMQB...he does get some good stuff and as far as sports columns go, it's pretty good...

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I have literally not once read Peter Queen since he started having visions of Pulitzers in his head last fall. I tolerated his travel-complaining, and his coffee-tasting, and his Lord Favre-worshipping, and his occasional political blather, and even his daughters' who-gives-a-shyte volleyball/softball/lacrosse/whatever teams. At least before Cameragate, I was under the impression that he was a News Reporter who was more interesting in facts than moralizing. What a fool I was.

"How is it possible that one of the smartest men in his field -- in any field, really -- could possibly misinterpret Anderson's crystal-clear words? "

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Probably the same way the GMs and coaches of every other team misinterpret the league prohibition on tampering.

captain stone said:

I have literally not once read Peter Queen since he started having visions of Pulitzers in his head last fall. I tolerated his travel-complaining, and his coffee-tasting, and his Lord Favre-worshipping, and his occasional political blather, and even his daughters' who-gives-a-shyte volleyball/softball/lacrosse/whatever teams. At least before Cameragate, I was under the impression that he was a News Reporter who was more interesting in facts than moralizing. What a fool I was.

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That's cool, and I understand, but I have alot of time to kill at work.

captain stone said:

I have literally not once read Peter Queen since he started having visions of Pulitzers in his head last fall. I tolerated his travel-complaining, and his coffee-tasting, and his Lord Favre-worshipping, and his occasional political blather, and even his daughters' who-gives-a-shyte volleyball/softball/lacrosse/whatever teams. At least before Cameragate, I was under the impression that he was a News Reporter who was more interesting in facts than moralizing. What a fool I was.

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:yeahthat:

You said it.

Fine if King doesn't believe BB, but he doesn't even bother to figure out what BB was saying.

Goodell quoted Belichick as relying on the Constitution and By-Laws.
Belichick mentioned the Constitution and By-Laws.

King references the Anderson memo. Wow. Great job.

For those new to this:

"Any use by any club at any time, from the start to the finish of any game in which such club is a participant, of any communications or information-gathering equipment, other than Polaroid-type cameras or field telephones, shall be prohibited, including without limitation videotape machines, telephone tapping, or bugging devices, or any other form of electronic devices that might aid a team during the playing of a game."


You can't look at game footage or scouting footage during the game. That's where Belichick hung his hat. I can tape it, I just can't watch it.


The following is from a 60 Minutes segment before the Houston SB. Panthers Coach Fox is showing off all the video tools he uses for game analysis/scouting. (I did post this in another thread)



This goes to the long history of only using the editing/playback equipment before or after a game and is what I think BB was referring to in the By-Laws.


For the CBS segement on how teams watch tape see: 60 Minutes Super Bowl.


Back the thread. King doesn't even bother to address anything close to this. Lazy, lazy, lazy.

Props to King on saying it was a September 6, 2006 memo. For the first MONTHS after the story broke, not ONE national news source mentioned the year of the memo.

In the time between the memo and the Pats/Jets game, the Jets (it's been established) did the exact same thing, and as I understand it, the 'Phins used enhanced video (focusing on audio enhancing) to steal Brady's signals.

Some of you might have noticed how you got incredibly familiar with the Pats' terminology during the Dallas game (OMAHA! OMAHA!); I personally believe that was the network guys slyly referencing the tricks Miami got away with, and they could get away with, vis a vis the Patriots. A live-by-technology, die-by-technology statement.

There was a lynch mob out last year, and when particulars fell apart, they always pointed to how BB acted "Right after the offseason memo." This was fueled by the mainstream media. Seems now that it's an old story, they can take the time to note the true date of the memo.

PFnV