Ultimate Betrayal: Troy Brown visiting Jets

The Jets are like one big Dingleberry. Annoying and just wont go away. I am so tired of hearing about them going after our players, taking players we want in the draft one spot ahead of us, Mangini, etc. I loath them. It is so annoying.

Until he signs and contributes then all he's doing is spying for BB, and I won't change my mind until then!

WhiZa said:

Until he signs and contributes then all he's doing is spying for BB, and I won't change my mind until then!

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If I could get a message out to Troy it would be: You are a one Patriots' all-time great players along with being a fan favorite. Don't finish your career wearing another uniform, especially that one. Don't be shortsighted, there are endless possibilities here once your career is over, both with the team possibly as a coach and in the community. If you do sign with the Jets I believe those possibilities will no longer be there.

It's not about players or coaches...these guys are mercenaries.

It's not about civic pride (greenbay excluded)

It's all about your clothes beating the other guys clothes...

That's it... Clothes.

BPF said:

If I could get a message out to Troy it would be: You are a one Patriots' all-time great players along with being a fan favorite. Don't finish your career wearing another uniform, especially that one. Don't be shortsighted, there are endless possibilities here once your career is over, both with the team possibly as a coach and in the community. If you do sign with the Jets I believe those possibilities will no longer be there.

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I think your belief is totally unfounded. Troy has a job with this team for life per Bob Kraft. Jobs on the roster are Bill's decision, and he has apparently told Troy HE IS FREE TO SEEK EMPLOYMENT ELSEWHERE...there are no restrictions. Bill understands better than fans do that playing is everything to these guys, and if they still want to play and he can't reasonably project a roster spot for them (he said he could last year) yet alone playing time he has no issue with where they go. Troy will still retire a Patriot whenever he retires, bank on it. And he will still have a place in the organization if he wants it. If he doesn't end up signing somewhere there is also the possibility he comes back here if a need arises - they simply aren't projecting that need in March (and last March they didn't have to because he was rehabbing) and I don't doubt they would prefer not to be cutting him in September when he likely couldn't catch on easily anywhere else.

Coaches work too many hours for too little money comparatively speaking, so don't keep projecting that on players who can't get on the field here. Troy can make 6-8 times what a coaching assistant makes by playing one more year. He hasn't made a bundle comparatively speaking, but he's made millions and his wife continued working to support the family(she's a chemist) and they invested most of his money over the years in anticipation of the day he could not play. This isn't about money, it's about still wanting to play and believing he can. And in telling him he's free to seek opportunities elsewhere the team is in effect absolving him of any sense of betrayal on either side. Betrayal would be his taking a job elsewhere for a few dollars more or Bill cutting him in September if in fact he still could play somewhere.

The histrionics on this board these days is pathetic. Real loyalty is a two way street, for fans, teams and players. Not the one way ride on the what have you done for me lately and you owe us trains that get driven around here daily.

Ultimate Betrayal?

Talk about your hyperbole.

This isn't even a betrayal. The Patriots and Troy Brown agreed to part ways. I don't see any betrayal at all in playing for one of the other 31 NFL teams. In fact, it's expected that Troy would look around. And most of us, unless our heads have been in the sand, should have realized that the Jets were a likely suitor - it's not like former Patriot players never show up there or anything.

Now Troy Brown has been my favorite Patriot since the Patriots chose not to match the offer sheet to Curtis Martin. I continued to root for Curtis and I'll continue to root for Troy. Just not for the Jets.

Personally, I don't think the Jets will sign him.

MoLewisrocks said:

I think your belief is totally unfounded. Troy has a job with this team for life per Bob Kraft. Jobs on the roster are Bill's decision, and he has apparently told Troy HE IS FREE TO SEEK EMPLOYMENT ELSEWHERE...there are no restrictions. Bill understands better than fans do that playing is everything to these guys, and if they still want to play and he can't reasonably project a roster spot for them (he said he could last year) yet alone playing time he has no issue with where they go. Troy will still retire a Patriot whenever he retires, bank on it. And he will still have a place in the organization if he wants it. If he doesn't end up signing somewhere there is also the possibility he comes back here if a need arises - they simply aren't projecting that need in March (and last March they didn't have to because he was rehabbing) and I don't doubt they would prefer not to be cutting him in September when he likely couldn't catch on easily anywhere else.

Coaches work too many hours for too little money comparatively speaking, so don't keep projecting that on players who can't get on the field here. Troy can make 6-8 times what a coaching assistant makes by playing one more year. He hasn't made a bundle comparatively speaking, but he's made millions and his wife continued working to support the family(she's a chemist) and they invested most of his money over the years in anticipation of the day he could not play. This isn't about money, it's about still wanting to play and believing he can. And in telling him he's free to seek opportunities elsewhere the team is in effect absolving him of any sense of betrayal on either side. Betrayal would be his taking a job elsewhere for a few dollars more or Bill cutting him in September if in fact he still could play somewhere.

The histrionics on this board these days is pathetic. Real loyalty is a two way street, for fans, teams and players. Not the one way ride on the what have you done for me lately and you owe us trains that get driven around here daily.

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Same goes for me, too.

P.S.: Just because one may disagree with what other people post, doesn't always mean that their histrionics are pathetic.

No big deal if he ends up playing for the Jets. He still wants to play and has the right to seek that opportunity. I don't think that he has burned his post playing bridges here in New England.

Hey, he's got a family to support, and while he's made decent money in his career, he's probably not rich. Who am I to criticize him for trying to score another $840k or so for a year's work? That's probably as much as he would make working for 8 years or so in the real world.

As far as his playing ability, at this point, even Troy Brown could cover Troy Brown.

My issue here is that BB cut Kareem Brown, their 4th round pick in the draft (now with the Jets, ironically) in order to activate Troy Brown off PUP. Now I don't know if Kareem Brown will turn into any kind of player or not, but putting Troy on the field for one game cost us as much as we gave Oakland for Randy Moss.

Troy Brown has been cut. He wanted to play, and the team said no thanks, the guy isn't allowed to play anymore?

MoLewisrocks said:

I think your belief is totally unfounded. Troy has a job with this team for life per Bob Kraft. Jobs on the roster are Bill's decision, and he has apparently told Troy HE IS FREE TO SEEK EMPLOYMENT ELSEWHERE...there are no restrictions. Bill understands better than fans do that playing is everything to these guys, and if they still want to play and he can't reasonably project a roster spot for them (he said he could last year) yet alone playing time he has no issue with where they go. Troy will still retire a Patriot whenever he retires, bank on it. And he will still have a place in the organization if he wants it. If he doesn't end up signing somewhere there is also the possibility he comes back here if a need arises - they simply aren't projecting that need in March (and last March they didn't have to because he was rehabbing) and I don't doubt they would prefer not to be cutting him in September when he likely couldn't catch on easily anywhere else.

Coaches work too many hours for too little money comparatively speaking, so don't keep projecting that on players who can't get on the field here. Troy can make 6-8 times what a coaching assistant makes by playing one more year. He hasn't made a bundle comparatively speaking, but he's made millions and his wife continued working to support the family(she's a chemist) and they invested most of his money over the years in anticipation of the day he could not play. This isn't about money, it's about still wanting to play and believing he can. And in telling him he's free to seek opportunities elsewhere the team is in effect absolving him of any sense of betrayal on either side. Betrayal would be his taking a job elsewhere for a few dollars more or Bill cutting him in September if in fact he still could play somewhere.

The histrionics on this board these days is pathetic. Real loyalty is a two way street, for fans, teams and players. Not the one way ride on the what have you done for me lately and you owe us trains that get driven around here daily.

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Mo - your response is logical, well thought out and 100% correct all to a fault.

Sorry, if Troy becomes a Jet he joins the enemy and I will hate on him from the time he puts on the damn green puke jersey to the time he is done in that horrible, ugly, rat infested county in NJ across the river from the worst freaking city in America, playing for that desperate, despicable, ass of a coach.

Troy Brown becomes a traitor in my mind, plain and simple - in this case take your well founded logic and stick it.

Don't do it Troy - anywhere but there, anywhere.

Here's what I don't get - why is it OK for a player to say "it's just a business," and take his act anywhere he pleases for yet another dollar (Troy is rich by probably 1000X the means of 98% of the members here, we need not have any sympathy for Troy's career earnings) but when a fan says "screw that guy" because he takes his act to a hated rival it's some kind of defamation of character? The whole scheme works both ways. If the players want us to understand that football is just a business then they darn well better understand that being a Patriots fan means just that - a NE fan, and if Troy goes to the Jets then every single NE 'fan' has a similar right to curse Troy Brown as Troy does to turn his back on the Pats.

The Pat's loyalty to Troy cost them Kareem Brown - a nobody now but what if he turns into another Jarvis Green? Plus, I'm certain I remember Kraft saying that Brown has a job with the Pats (off the field) as long as he wnats one when Troy hangs up his spikes.

I love Troy for his dogged determination to succeed and for the grit and savy he played with here. But if he goes to the Jets then he stinks like all the dudes who pull on that nasty green and white jersey.

Spiral said:

My issue here is that BB cut Kareem Brown, their 4th round pick in the draft (now with the Jets, ironically) in order to activate Troy Brown off PUP. Now I don't know if Kareem Brown will turn into any kind of player or not, but putting Troy on the field for one game cost us as much as we gave Oakland for Randy Moss.

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How do you know that Kareem Brown was waived to make a spot for Troy Brown?? Chad Brown was signed to the 53-man roster on the same day that Troy was activated from PUP.

Miguel said:

How do you know that Kareem Brown was waived to make a spot for Troy Brown?? Chad Brown was signed to the 53-man roster on the same day that Troy was activated from PUP.

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I believe it would be logical to assume that Chad Brown was signed as a replacement for Colvin, who was placed on IR the same day.

Spiral said:

I believe it would be logical to assume that Chad Brown was signed as a replacement for Colvin, who was placed on IR the same day.

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Didn't Reiss say Kareem Brown was waived to make room for Troy at the time? I think I remember that, because I thought it was a mistake as the kid had potential.

LiveShot said:

Just another athlete who doesn't know his time is up. He could not make the lineup last year you'd think he would retire gracefully but instead it looks as though the hero will have to be dragged kicking and clawing out of the arena. Never to be heard from again.

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If some team will pay him $800,000+ his time ain't up, Liveshot.

You think he has a Mutual Fund Manager's job waiting for him on Wall Street?

I always find it funny when some Joe From Burger King (to paraphrase Josh Beckett) advises an athlete to forego the next million and "retire gracefully".

shmessy said:

I always find it funny when some Joe From Burger King (to paraphrase Josh Beckett) advises an athlete to forego the next million and "retire gracefully".

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Wasn't that Keith the one year wonder Foulke? What an unpersonable a-hole he was.

Spiral said:

I believe it would be logical to assume that Chad Brown was signed as a replacement for Colvin, who was placed on IR the same day.

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Fair enough.

But that does not explain why the Patriots chose to waive Kareem Brown on that day. They released Eddie Jackson and Rashad Baker a couple of weeks later. If the Patriots thought so much of Kareem, why not release Eddie Jackson instead of Kareem instead??

Miguel said:

Fair enough.

But that does not explain why the Patriots chose to waive Kareem Brown on that day. They released Eddie Jackson and Rashad Baker a couple of weeks later. If the Patriots thought so much of Kareem, why not release Eddie Jackson instead of Kareem instead??

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I remain perplexed about many of the Pats initial 53 cuts of rooks and the Kareem move last season. I know hindsight is self-serving but even at the time it seemed as if BB was running a retirement home.

Sorry, if Troy becomes a Jet he joins the enemy and I will hate on him from the time he puts on the damn green puke jersey to the time he is done in that horrible, ugly, rat infested county in NJ across the river from the worst freaking city in America, playing for that desperate, despicable, ass of a coach.

hmmmmm....strange...fggsand seems to hate the fetid stoolies almost as much as I do