Im Predicting the Blowout

Anyone else watching the Pats/Eagles SB rerun on NFLN? I'm ready to predict a blowout too, watching this.

shmessy said:

Instead of flaming and namecalling, how about attacking the issue points instead of the individual?

Here is the sum total of important "contributions" you have made to this thread:
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"I predict that this prediction will be every bit as inaccurate as your Pats-Chargers prediction."

"I predict that this is not the last time you will rush to offer a knee-jerk defense of a mod's opinion on this site."

"My mistake. AJ was right on target with his Pats-Chargers prediction and is sure to be equally clairvoyant this time.

Sorry to have interrupted the ***********."

"Cue Keegs in 3...2...1."

"I'm not sure if that was intentional, but either way, that was comedy gold. Well played, sir!"

"Wow...the parade of AJ sycophants continues."
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My issue was with the style of the prediction, not the individual or indeed the prediction itself. My remaining posts are responses to the avalanche of personal attacks that followed my original post. Happy to try to get things back on point:

While I would certainly hope for a Patriots blowout, the Giants are playing with a lot of confidence right now, even more than they had when they gave us all we could handle in week 17. They've proven that they can beat tough teams, on the road, and under adverse conditions. Eli has become more conservative, more willing to check down, and less likely to make the bonehead play. Eli chemistry with Plax is strong and the latter will be a big matchup problem for Asante or whoever else is covering him. Ahmad Bradshaw has emerged as a dangerous change of pace to Jacobs. The Giants are one of the few teams that can generate a decent pass rush with their front 4 and that maximizes their options in coverage.

All that said, the Giants secondary is extremely vulnerable (LB Gerris Wilkinson was at times the best cover option on Randy Moss in the last game for crying out loud). For the first time in weeks, the Patriots will be playing in pristine weather conditions so their offense should be operating at maximum efficiency. Although I believe that the Giants have too much heart, talent and confidence to get blown out, even by the juggernaut like the Patriots, I do not think the game will feel as close as I think it will ultimately be on paper. Since that previous sentence makes me think of the Jacksonville game, I will throw out the same 31-20 score as my prediction.

wdkantro2 said:

This is exactly why the rest of the country laughs at New England fans. You provide absolutely no evidence for your claims other than blatant homer-ism. I'm in shock at the ridiculousness of this post.

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Wait until Monday, baby.

Pats 41 Giants 20. Giants get a late TD.

realtime said:

My issue was with the style of the prediction, not the individual or indeed the prediction itself. My remaining posts are responses to the avalanche of personal attacks that followed my original post. Happy to try to get things back on point:

While I would certainly hope for a Patriots blowout, the Giants are playing with a lot of confidence right now, even more than they had when they gave us all we could handle in week 17. They've proven that they can beat tough teams, on the road, and under adverse conditions. Eli has become more conservative, more willing to check down, and less likely to make the bonehead play. Eli chemistry with Plax is strong and the latter will be a big matchup problem for Asante or whoever else is covering him. Ahmad Bradshaw has emerged as a dangerous change of pace to Jacobs. The Giants are one of the few teams that can generate a decent pass rush with their front 4 and that maximizes their options in coverage.

All that said, the Giants secondary is extremely vulnerable (LB Gerris Wilkinson was at times the best cover option on Randy Moss in the last game for crying out loud). For the first time in weeks, the Patriots will be playing in pristine weather conditions so their offense should be operating at maximum efficiency. Although I believe that the Giants have too much heart, talent and confidence to get blown out, even by the juggernaut like the Patriots, I do not think the game will feel as close as I think it will ultimately be on paper. Since that previous sentence makes me think of the Jacksonville game, I will throw out the same 31-20 score as my prediction.

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Thank you for contributing some substance to the thread.

Looking merely at points scored tells us NE should win 30-20. Not quite a blowout but given the way we've scored in good weather, 37-20 or 41-20 seems quite reasonable to me.

Keegs said:

teach me how to be smart like you.

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shmessy said:

Hey Realtime and Wdkantro, you seem to have suddenly disappeared but the invitation still stands.

You have been ridiculing the "no facts to back it up", but you have yet to pony up.

Please give us YOUR reasons why this game will be close. Let's have some meat to your arguments.

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LOL! I don't live on this messageboard. But since you asked for it, I will respond to everything you said. This is what I like...some nice fact-based arguments. I'm glad you have the intelligence to use some facts to back up your argument.

Response coming...

wdkantro2 said:

This is what I like...some nice fact-based arguments. I'm glad you have the intelligence to use some facts to back up your argument.

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i found this part really really funny.

realtime said:

My issue was with the style of the prediction, not the individual or indeed the prediction itself. My remaining posts are responses to the avalanche of personal attacks that followed my original post.

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His style was the same as yours, and you brought it to the personal level immediately. I don't care if you want to roll around in the mud trading insults and calling people names, but kindly don't cry when you get responses in kind.

spacecrime said:

His style was the same as yours, and you brought it to the personal level immediately. I don't care if you want to roll around in the mud trading insults and calling people names, but kindly don't cry when you get responses in kind.

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OK, I think we finally have Realtime, and hopefully Wdkantro, back on subject now and ready to contribute substance instead of flaming.

Let's get back to the subject of the thread.

I see this thing being decided by less than 10. Pats on top of course. It will be close but the outcome really wont be in doubt. Pats will be able to keep it a two possession game for most of the 2nd half.

Final Score

Pats 31
Giants 23

wdkantro2 said:

LOL! I don't live on this messageboard. But since you asked for it, I will respond to everything you said. This is what I like...some nice fact-based arguments. I'm glad you have the intelligence to use some facts to back up your argument.

Response coming...

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It's now 20 minutes since you wrote that. It's after 11:00pm EST and I have to get to sleep now. I just can't wait any longer for you to frantically Google to cut and paste your "research". Honestly, if you had these points just burning to be made we would have seen them here by now.

I'll be looking forward to reading it tomorrow morning.

shmessy said:

Well, what's YOUR reasoning other than the "well last game was 3 points"?

"Last game was 3 points" ignores:

1) It was outdoors in cold weather - - this game will be either in perfect weather or in a closed retractable dome.

2) Patriots had their entire right side of the OL out with injuries. Not this time.

3) Patriots and Giants had 6 days between their games last time. This time 2 weeks. BB with 2 weeks to prepare for a team that the Pats had played 5 weeks ago?

4) Patriots - 21 players with SB experience. Giants - 3. (**Don't underestimate this factor. The Patriots win in SB 36 was largely helped by the negative experience that 10 of them had in SB 31. Bledsoe, in particular, has been greatly credited by Brady in preparing him for the time delay elements of the Super Bowl experience).

5) Maroney. What is becoming very apparent is that BB masterfully managed Maroney's workload this year. This is a 2nd year young player who does not have too much tread on his tires coming down the stretch and it is showing.
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Now. What do YOU have to show other than a lame (and insignificant) "well the last game was close on a cold night in NJ with 6 days between games and the right side of the Patriot OL out".
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1) Don't forget the Giants will be in warm weather too. It goes both ways. They put up 35 against us in those same windy and cold conditions. Sure, our offense is better in ideal conditions, but considering Eli picked us apart in the cold, I don't think you can use the weather argument. Our defense is much better in the cold. In December (when it's cold), the Patriots have given up only 24, 13, 10, 7, 20 and 12 points (I left out the 35 against the Giants). I think the ideal conditions will benefit our offense, but I don't think it is the difference between a 38-35 game and a blowout.

2) The offensive line played a very good game the first time out. I personally don't see a huge drop-off from Kaczur to O'Callaghan other than the line chemistry. The Giants only mustered 1 sack. They did have a decent amount of hurries, but it wasn't enough to stop Brady from going 32/42, 356 yards 2 TDs and no interceptions. Again, it's not that I don't think the Patriots might benefit from their fully healthy line, but given the prior performance, I again don't see it as being the difference between a 38-35 game and a 40 point blowout.

3) I am a huge Belichick fan but I recently saw his win-loss in the second meeting of the season and it's not as impressive as I would have thought. But yes, definite edge to the Pats here.

4) Look at the core of the Patriots offense this year. Moss, Stallworth, Welker, Maroney all have 0 rings. Logan Mankins doesn't have a ring. Watson has 1 ring and he was on IR all year, so he has no actual experience. The defense is experienced, I'll give you that. Weren't the 01 Rams basically the same team from 99 that won the super bowl? Experience didn't do much there. Not saying it isn't a factor, but I think it is a bigger factor in a tight game rather than creating a blowout.

5) Personally, I think Maroney's emergence began against the Jets in the rain. Over the past 5 games, he's gone for 104, 156, 46, 122 and 122. The 46 was, of course, against the Giants in week 17. So far this postseason, the Giants have given up 69 and 28 yards, but did get run all over by Marion Barber. And when Barber gets 18+ carries, he is as dangerous as any back in the league. The real weakness of the Giants is their secondary. If we have learned anything from the Patriots this season, it's that they show no mercy against the weakness of their opposition. They threw for more than 350 yards the first time around. I highly doubt Maroney will be featured the way he has been these past few games, where throwing conditions weren't ideal. Their attitude will be (like usual), "if we can throw it and score a lot of points, why not throw it?"

shmessy said:

It's now 20 minutes since you wrote that. It's after 11:00pm EST and I have to get to sleep now. I just can't wait any longer for you to frantically Google to cut and paste your "research". Honestly, if you had these points just burning to be made we would have seen them here by now.

I'll be looking forward to reading it tomorrow morning.

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You have to leave, yet you can criticize me when I left earlier? Makes sense.
I had ideas, but unlike a lot of people here, I don't just make up numbers when I post them: I look beforehand and make sure they are accurate.
Seriously, I'm a pats fan. I find it incredible that you take it this personally and seriously when someone thinks that the biggest game of the year won't be a blowout.
I would think moderators should show a little less bias and a little more maturity.

wdkantro2 said:

You have to leave, yet you can criticize me when I left earlier? Makes sense.
I had ideas, but unlike a lot of people here, I don't just make up numbers when I post them: I look beforehand and make sure they are accurate.
Seriously, I'm a pats fan. I find it incredible that you take it this personally and seriously when someone thinks that the biggest game of the year won't be a blowout.
I would think moderators should show a little less bias and a little more maturity.

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Actually, I'm still on the computer. Just finishing up some trades for clients on the other windows.

"You have to leave, yet you can criticize me when I left earlier? Makes sense."

Sure. When someone earlier critiques others for not backing up statements with facts (and then does the VERY SAME thing) and then says "I'll get back to ya" when called upon that hypocracy - - yeah, that tends to get criticized.

"I had ideas, but unlike a lot of people here, I don't just make up numbers when I post them:"

Please show me one item in my response that was "made up".

"I find it incredible that you take it this personally and seriously when someone thinks that the biggest game of the year won't be a blowout."

Not taking it personally at all. In fact, I've been requesting that you, Realtime and others on both sides of the argument stick with the issues and not flame the persons - - that just hijacks threads and doesn't shine a light on anything. In fact, I have deleted several posts in this thread of posters who have been attacking you and your mother. Those receive warnings and infractions.

"I would think moderators should show a little less bias and a little more maturity"

Wooah, thanks for not getting personal! Well since you bring that up, I'll answer that. For your information this is a PATRIOT FAN WEBSITE. I'm sorry if you have gotten lost on the internets highway while looking for SI.com or ESPN.com. Guess what? I am a poster here first. Ian asked me to help out as one of several Mods two years ago. I can have any opinon on a matter as much as you can. Sorry about that, Wdkantro. My job as a Mod is to keep politics, foul language, porn, spamming, troll smack talk and anything else that could hurt this website off the boards.

Hope that clears it up for ya.

Let's look at it a different way. Power rank these teams in terms of how they were playing going into the playoffs:

Jaguars
Chargers
Giants

If the Patriots beat the Giants, it'll be the LEAST good team the Patriots have beaten in the playoffs.

Michael said:

I guess you "don't know satire from literal".

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Well, I was hooked. After enduring years of seeing people spell "Payton" and "Teddy" and "Belacheck" I'm a prime candidate to be hooked.

FrontSeven said:

It's too bad you don't know how to spell Eli. It might make your research a bit more realistic to average reader.

I would not count out a blowout because of the pressure that may make the Giants buckle. If they turn it over and get behind early, it could just be a snowball gathering momentum.

Troy Aikman said something tonight that I found interesting. He said that his Cowboys were not 35 points better than the Bills, but that the Bills turned it over 7 times and things got out of hand. As I remember it even Thurman Thomas fumbled, and not only fumbled but went into a shell of despair after that fumble. The Bills looked beaten and they were still ahead!

I don't expect the Giants to fold that easily but I do think they need to protect the ball or they could risk being down early and having a tough, tough road to hoe.

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Duh. I misspelled "Ellie's" name on purpose. Its called a joke.

realtime said:

My mistake. AJ was right on target with his Pats-Chargers prediction and is sure to be equally clairvoyant this time.

Sorry to have interrupted the ***********.

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I guess I missed the law being passed that says that you can only make a prediction if you were correct on everyone you made.

By the way, I predicted the Pats would win and they did, so for all that matters, it was right on.

wdkantro2 said:

It isn't that hard: back up whatever you say with some kind of fact or statistic. It's not that I don't think the Pats will win, but considering they margin of victory was only 3 last time these teams played, I don't see how you can logically say it will be a blowout. Everyone here wants it to be a blowout, of course, but just calling it with no backup makes no sense.
I mean really, it's not that tough to put a little effort into posts instead of just spewing nonsense like "Pats will win by 40 because I think they will."

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That wasnt what I said. I have posted numerous times about the reasons, the advantages, etc. This thread was my prediction. The reasons for it were addressed elsewhere. There is no need for me to give those reasons all over again when making a prediction. I do not have to defend my prediction, it is what it is, and will be right, wrong, or somewhere in between.
If you want all the reasons why, read the rest of the message board.