Patriots Host QB Will Levis as Part of Their Top 30 Visits

everlong · Apr 22, 2023

Ollie said:
Brady this year showed that you still need good coaching. If you look at any great coach's record when they lose a Hall of Fame QB it usually will be worse. That stands to reason.

The Bucs OL was even worse than the Patriots, they didn't have the running game the Patriots had, Godwin was coming off of injury and wasn't the same guy yet, Gage was a bust and Evans looked old. Side topic but Evans is the least football smart super start receiver perhaps ever. A guy like Moss had 10X the football IQ of Evans. He screws up nearly every option route and can't read a defense to save his life. He's just a physical freak with unreal body control.

The Levis issue comes down to this for me. If you don't think Mac is the guy or you feel that relationship is damaged beyond repair and you think Levis is the guy then fine go get him. If the plan is let's sit at 14 because and see what happens because we like him but not enough to trade up then don't take him at all.

Bill's value system has both served him well and at the same time been the bane of his existence. Julio Jones and Jon Baldwin more or less being the same player as one example. Quarterback in particular is not the position to say well I don't see a big difference between Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez so we'll hold tight and hope one of them drops to us.

If you believe in one of those guys with conviction then go get them. I'd rather shoot for the stars then be an 8-ish win team for the next 5 years. People will point out some of the trade ups that have been epic disasters but nobody outside of a few idiot GMs thought Ponder, Gabbert or Locker thought those guys were the real deal.

Bill is viewed as the goat so he should be able to do what Andy Reid did and look at a Patrick Mahomes and identity this guy is the real deal and go up and get him. If he's going to treat this as a stock market portfolio and go for value they aren't going to luck into the next great QB like they did with Brady. I haven't had the time to do the draft research this year so I'm not sure if Stroud, Young, Richardson or Levis is a sure thing, but Bill should be able to say with some certainty if they are.

Personally I want them to draft Hendon Hooker a little bit later but that's just so I can make cracks about Kraft always finding the best Hookers.

Ian · Apr 22, 2023

VJCPatriot said:
Now just imagine Levis in a Patriots uniform?

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Let's be honest, how excited would you feel to welcome a new top QB to the Patriots?

I feel there would be quite a lot of excitement from the general fan base.

Kraft could sell more tickets, BB would get "his guy", and at least a couple of more years to develop the new QB.

See my other post - I’d definitely be more nervous/skeptical than excited.

Ivan · Apr 22, 2023

patfanken said:
I think the reason for the visit was just part of the pre-draft lying and positioning that goes on in ALL drafts. I believe the Pats are HOPING that Levis starts to drop for all the obvious reasons that have been noted. He's an unfinished athlete who plays QB but is not one....yet. By having him visit, some team below them might perceive (if they are idiots) that the Pats MIGHT pick him and if he falls to 14, might want to give the Pats a good enough package to 'change their minds'.

I know, its a bit out there, but its possible . The REAL reason is more likely that they view Levis as physically very talented and someone who is raw enough that 4 or 5 years down the road they might have a shot at, so it doesn't hurt to know the guy a bit more personally in the draft process.

Over the years most NFL teams, including the Pats, have tried to HIDE who they are interested in, note try and bring attention to it.

Ken, my philosophy on this has changed completely. Whereas I used to look at building a team for the long run, I now think that’s almost impossible, and believe you have to do two things overall.

Second contracts for many positions are now cost prohibitive for a number of positions, QB, WR, and CB are the most extreme examples of this, and QB is the worst position in this regard, as truly ****ty QB’s are now getting 40 million a year, Example-Daniel Jones, which brings us to the question of Mac Jones 2nd contract, which will start coming into play in 2024.And short of Mac turning into a HOF Caliber QB over the next two seasons there is absolutely no way I would pay him the 40 million plus his agent will ask for. And the same goes for many of the young QB’s who aren’t in the true franchise category. I would only give that kind of money to Burrows, Lawrence, Allen, and the other top QB’s.

Given this situation I think QB’s and some other positions, especially WR and CB are essentially revolving positions, and they need to treat them like college programs and only give them 2nd contracts when they are either affordable, or exceptional players. And while I don’t know enough about the top QB’s in this draft to say whether the should take one high or not, I do think they should be taking one on the first two days of the draft more often than not.

Bourne Again Christian · Apr 22, 2023

Ivan said:
Ken, my philosophy on this has changed completely. Whereas I used to look at building a team for the long run, I now think that’s almost impossible, and believe you have to do two things overall.

Second contracts for many positions are now cost prohibitive for a number of positions, QB, WR, and CB are the most extreme examples of this, and QB is the worst position in this regard, as truly ****ty QB’s are now getting 40 million a year, Example-Daniel Jones, which brings us to the question of Mac Jones 2nd contract, which will start coming into play in 2024.And short of Mac turning into a HOF Caliber QB over the next two seasons there is absolutely no way I would pay him the 40 million plus his agent will ask for. And the same goes for many of the young QB’s who aren’t in the true franchise category. I would only give that kind of money to Burrows, Lawrence, Allen, and the other top QB’s.

Given this situation I think QB’s and some other positions, especially WR and CB are essentially revolving positions, and they need to treat them like college programs and only give them 2nd contracts when they are either affordable, or exceptional players. And while I don’t know enough about the top QB’s in this draft to say whether the should take one high or not, I do think they should be taking one on the first two days of the draft more often than not.

This is my GM strategy you are only keeping top 10 players at there position and recycling everything else unless you can get team friendly deals.

Any team that offers Mac a contract over 10 mill a season is brain dead.

This is my argument for drafting a QB those 4 or 5 year controllable contracts are the most valuable thing in cap management.

QBs I could see us taking,

Levis, Richardson first round

Hooker, second round

Tune, mid round

And a host of late round flyer QBs.

There is no doubt we are raking at least 1 QB in this draft that’s good business.

Uncle Rico · Apr 22, 2023

Scouting visit. Good chance to learn what makes a likely future NFL opponent tick. nice BB tactic.

Wozzy · Apr 22, 2023

He probably won’t get past the Colts, even if he does he might be a big mistake in the first round. Guy throws too many picks for so few passes. He screams Sam Darnold 2.0. Seems like a later round guy bumped up in the first out of QB desperation.

If Hooker is still hanging around in the 4th possibly grab him there, otherwise wait for one of the later round guys. Tyson Bagent from division two Shepherd U is a really good prospect towards the end of the draft.

The Pats don’t really need another QB, but Hooker mid draft or Bagent at the end would be good value.

Bourne Again Christian · Apr 22, 2023

Wozzy said:
He probably won’t get past the Colts, even if he does he might be a big mistake in the first round. Guy throws too many picks for so few passes. He screams Sam Darnold 2.0. Seems like a later round guy bumped up in the first out of QB desperation.

If Hooker is still hanging around in the 4th possibly grab him there, otherwise wait for one of the later round guys. Tyson Bagent from division two Shepherd U is a really good prospect towards the end of the draft.

The Pats don’t really need another QB, but Hooker mid draft or Bagent at the end would be good value.

Warming up to Bagent,Tune,Robinson,Duggan,McKee, Clifford.
All really good prospects to develop.

If the draft started out trade down

Take Flowers

Trade up take Banks in the second

Draft 2 cover lbs

Draft a new space eater to replace Guy

Draft a total of 2 to 3 WRs

Draft a true third down back

Take a developmental QB I really like Tune.
Draft some versatile Olineman later on in the draft like Juice Scurggs
I think we need different makers more so than depth guys that could turn into jags.

Wozzy · Apr 22, 2023

Zappe Hour said:
Warming up to Bagent,Tune,Robinson,Duggan,McKee, Clifford.
All really good prospects to develop.

If the draft started out trade down

Take Flowers

Trade up take Banks in the second

Draft 2 cover lbs

Draft a new space eater to replace Guy

Draft a total of 2 to 3 WRs

Draft a true third down back

Take a developmental QB I really like Tune.
Draft some versatile Olineman later on in the draft like Juice Scurggs
I think we need different makers more so than depth guys that could turn into jags.

What about offensive tackle and TE?

Bourne Again Christian · Apr 22, 2023

Wozzy said:
What about offensive tackle and TE?

I specifically mentioned Juice Scruggs.

borg · Apr 22, 2023

Will Levis is now the betting favorite to go No. 2 overall - ProFootballTalk

Kentucky quarterback Will Levis is now the favorite to be the No. 2 overall pick in the 2023 NFL draft.Multiple sports books have installed Levis as the favorite to be the second overall pick, either to the Texans or to some other team if the Texans trade down.Alabama quarterback Bryce Young is...

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FredFromDartmouth · Apr 22, 2023

Maybe they figure that this will scare a QB-hungry team into trading up with them...

Wozzy · Apr 23, 2023

Zappe Hour said:
I specifically mentioned Juice Scruggs.

I asked about OT and you reply with a Center?

VJCPatriot · Apr 23, 2023

FredFromDartmouth said:
Sure there would be a lot of fan interest, at least for the first few games, but once the Patriots started losing, which they surely would by ignoring their needs and getting yet-another-QB, then the fans would turn on the team.

Drafting a new QB would signal the decline of a once-great coach/GM and ultimately the franchise.

Hate to break it to you but that decline has been apparent years ago.

Ever since BB signed a washed up Cam Newton in 2020 and couldn't win a single playoff game ever since a certain #12 got pushed out the door.

Drunken Cicerone · Apr 23, 2023

FreeTedWilliams said:
Levis is Mitch Trubisky!

Hard Pass.

I'd rather they draft Hendon Hooker, he was lighting up the SEC before he got hurt.

I agree, if the stars align and he somehow drops into the second it becomes a little interesting, but he’s not going at 14

ctpatsfan77 · Apr 23, 2023

Zappe Hour said:
Levis, Richardson first round

Selecting a QB in the first would be a firing offense IMO.

Bourne Again Christian · Apr 23, 2023

ctpatsfan77 said:
Selecting a QB in the first would be a firing offense IMO.
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Depends on if that QB makes us a winning franchise or not.
If anything it buys Bill at least 2 more seasons and you get a rookie contract on a QB which Si the most valuable thing in all of sports.

If Christian Gonzalez or Will Levis is there I would be torn.

I would love a trade down into the mid 20s to draft a db or wr this draft has a lot of depth in the middle rounds.

Real fan 02 · Apr 23, 2023

Ian said:
Likely just due diligence, albeit interesting nonetheless:

The mayonnaise in coffee drinking QB.. to me this is nothing more than 1 of the 30 visits the teams allowed..

VJCPatriot · Apr 23, 2023

Patriots have indeed drafted players from their top 30 visits. But if you look at whom they have drafted out of those picks, it's almost like a hall of shame of bad players taken with those picks. So many FAILURES taken in the first 3 rounds with those top-30 visit picks. OOF. I've highlighted some of those early round FAILED picks for your convenience. Maybe this is more an indictment of how badly the Patriots have been at drafting over the past decade rather than the top-30 process itself.

Patriots Top-30 Visits: 2013-22

Year	Position	Player	Draft Pick
2013	WR	Josh Boyce	4-102
2014	DT	Dominique Easley	1-29
2014	QB	Jimmy Garoppoplo	2-62
2015	DE	Geneo Grissom	3-97
2015	LB	Matthew Wells	6-178
2015	TE	A.J. Derby	6-202
2015	LB	Xzavier ****son	7-253
2016	WR	Malcolm Mitchell	4-112
2016	WR	Devin Lucien	7-225
2017	OT	Antonio Garcia	3-85
2017	DT	Josh Augusta	UDFA
2018	CB	Duke Dawson Jr.	2-56
2018	LB	Christian Sam	6-178
2018	WR	Braxton Berrios	6-210
2019	WR	N'Keal Harry	1-32
2019	CB	Joejuan Williams	2-45
2019	QB	Jarrett Stidham	4-133
2019	LB	Terez Hall	UDFA
2022	WR	Tyquan Thornton	2-50
2022	CB	Marcus Jones	3-85
2022	CB	Jack Jones	4-121
2022	QB	D'Eriq King	UDFA

source article: Do Top-30 visits tell us anything about the Patriots’ draft intentions?

Ian · Apr 23, 2023

VJCPatriot said:
Patriots have indeed drafted players from their top 30 visits. But if you look at whom they have drafted out of those picks, it's almost like a hall of shame of bad players taken with those picks. So many FAILURES taken in the first 3 rounds with those top-30 visit picks. OOF. I've highlighted some of those early round FAILED picks for your convenience. Maybe this is more an indictment of how badly the Patriots have been at drafting over the past decade rather than the top-30 process itself.

Patriots Top-30 Visits: 2013-22

Year Position Player Draft Pick
2013 WR Josh Boyce 4-102
2014 DT Dominique Easley 1-29
2014 QB Jimmy Garoppoplo 2-62
2015 DE Geneo Grissom 3-97
2015 LB Matthew Wells 6-178
2015 TE A.J. Derby 6-202
2015 LB Xzavier ****son 7-253
2016 WR Malcolm Mitchell 4-112
2016 WR Devin Lucien 7-225
2017 OT Antonio Garcia 3-85
2017 DT Josh Augusta UDFA
2018 CB Duke Dawson Jr. 2-56
2018 LB Christian Sam 6-178
2018 WR Braxton Berrios 6-210
2019 WR N'Keal Harry 1-32
2019 CB Joejuan Williams 2-45
2019 QB Jarrett Stidham 4-133
2019 LB Terez Hall UDFA
2022 WR Tyquan Thornton 2-50
2022 CB Marcus Jones 3-85
2022 CB Jack Jones 4-121
2022 QB D'Eriq King UDFA

source article: Do Top-30 visits tell us anything about the Patriots’ draft intentions?

Malcolm Mitchell was one of the few WR picks they hit on, had he not suffered what ended up being a career-ending knee injury. Kid was terrific, until he got hurt, albeit I guess he did have knee issues. I get why you highlighted his name, but it just sort of kills me to see it highlighted with N'Keal Harry. Mitchell at least helped them win a ring. Harry...not so much.

Ras-IR Dowling · Apr 23, 2023

Colts make a ton of since if Houston is set on passing for one of the defenders. They can prob still get their guy at 4 and add some picks.

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