Nick Caley to the Rams

Real fan 02 said:

Curran mentioned it on TV, and on air.. so unless he's fabricating it wich I highly doubt Curran is the most locked in patriots reporter... he also does weekly appearances on weei 10-2 show with gresh...however you have to understand this era of patriots players and coaches are not just going to accept anything.. he was on the staff for a while so maybe he felt the rams job was a better opportunity for him..

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I saw the Curran reports and he presented it AS speculation, not that it actually occurred according to unnamed team sources. The fact remains that Caley would have been stupid to turn it down if actually offered to him even sans title. It would've been a huge upgrade for him from tight ends coach no matter how you cut it. Instead, he's now tight end coach somewhere else.

Didn't McVay just say his staff could leave because he wasn't sure he was going to coach this year and might "step away" because he realizes the train wreck that the Rams' cap is in? That's the better situation Caley went to!?! Either the Pats are worse off than I think or Caley has the worst ability to pick career choices.

turkeyneck said:

Maybe blocking Caley from LV wasn't so much about Caley as it was telling Josh enough is enough with the poaching.

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The coaching brain drain is a huge factor in last years crazy decisions. I just read that Steve Belichick is the only position coach remaining from the 2018 super bowl. Josh's poaching and retirements decimated the offensive coaches last year. Keeping Caley was likely about continuity as much as talent. If it is true that he refused the OC job without a title, he missed an opportunity.

Tunescribe said:

I saw the Curran reports and he presented it AS speculation, not that it actually occurred according to unnamed team sources. The fact remains that Caley would have been stupid to turn it down if actually offered to him even sans title. It would've been a huge upgrade for him from tight ends coach no matter how you cut it. Instead, he's now tight end coach somewhere else.

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That may be true, however Curran and perry both mentioned it as if it was the case. Given the reports coming out from the herald, and as journalists go out and put thier names on things I tend to believe it's a little more than speculation.. all we have to do is look at the actions..

Caley left! He was on an expiring contract, positions like OC and DC when named title commands lucrative pay in retrospect you pretty much oversee that entire side of the ball.. BB knows that.. I strongly believe that's why he isn't big on naming titles.. Unless it's for himself HC/GM. Just my humble opinion that's all.

mike_usagisan said:

Didn't McVay just say his staff could leave because he wasn't sure he was going to coach this year and might "step away" because he realizes the train wreck that the Rams' cap is in? That's the better situation Caley went to!?! Either the Pats are worse off than I think or Caley has the worst ability to pick career choices.

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Mike, it's all about the $$$$$$.. I'm sure the rams offered Caley far more than NE was willing too.. to be their TEs coach..
It has to be!

TomPatriot said:

You have some company.

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Me too.

Real fan 02 said:

That may be true, however Curran and perry both mentioned it as if it was the case. Given the reports coming out from the herald, and as journalists go out and put thier names on things I tend to believe it's a little more than speculation.. all we have to do is look at the actions..

Caley left! He was on an expiring contract, positions like OC and DC when named title commands lucrative pay in retrospect you pretty much oversee that entire side of the ball.. BB knows that.. I strongly believe that's why he isn't big on naming titles.. Unless it's for himself HC/GM. Just my humble opinion that's all.

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In addition to the $$, coordinator titles are more visible and harder to change personnel if things do not go well. My take is that BB takes the military perspective where he views OC/DC titles as ranks that need to be earned vs roles on a coaching staff. Normally he prefers 'battlefield promotions' to prove the candidate before officially awarding the title. JMD is a good example of this.

NOTE: MP and JJ are not the typical model because of the existing contracts with the Lions and Giants.

VectorPrime said:

Whatever, the years long brain drain of coaching continues unabated but please do continue to insist everything is great.

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???

We replaced him already with a guy who has just as much experience coaching a position in the pros.

So, is that a brain gain?

Real fan 02 said:

Mike, it's all about the $$$$$$.. I'm sure the rams offered Caley far more than NE was willing too.. to be their TEs coach..
It has to be!

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I’m confused. When did Belichick start paying the coaches salaries? Where’s the reports that the Pats offered Caley money to stay and he turned it down? Fact is, his contract expired. Wasn’t renewed. He stayed to interview for the OC position, so he must not hate it that bad. He also interviewed with many other teams as well, and ended up with the Rams. For such a highly regarded young coach, didn’t look to me like anyone was knocking down the door to get ‘em.

holyredeemer said:

I’m confused. When did Belichick start paying the coaches salaries? Where’s the reports that the Pats offered Caley money to stay and he turned it down? Fact is, his contract expired. Wasn’t renewed. He stayed to interview for the OC position, so he must not hate it that bad. He also interviewed with many other teams as well, and ended up with the Rams. For such a highly regarded young coach, didn’t look to me like anyone was knocking down the door to get ‘em.

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The usual suspects will find fault in just about everything the team does.

RIpats88 said:

Why is it the Patriots seem to be the only team where guys keep leaving for lateral jobs?

The brains drain of coaching staff is what lead us to Patricia/judge

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Most coaches don’t get to coach six years, let their contracts expire, and make a lateral move because they get fired before six years passes. Lateral movement without being fired is really limited to employees of stable coaching staffs that have ambitions of higher positions but haven’t yet earned that opportunity, which just doesn’t describe very many coaches’ situations.

In particular, TE coach is an extremely high turnover position around the NFL, with 17 of 31* being new to the team and/or the position this season and 24 of 31 within the past two seasons. These guys are generally moving up or moving along pretty quickly. That matches the Patriots’ experience prior to Caley, with six different TE coaches totaling 14 seasons (2.3 season average per TE coach). Five of the six left for better jobs (one OC, one QB coach, three OL coaches) within 1-4 years, while Waldron was seemingly fired after one year but eventually worked his way back up to the Seahawks’ OC job.

In his sixth year this season, Caley was actually tied for third longest tenured TE coach, behind two coaches (Chiefs and Seahawks) who don’t appear to have OC ambitions given that they’ve been in the same positions since 2013 and 2010 respectively.

*Suspiciously, the Raiders just didn’t hire a TE coach after missing out on Caley.

Maybe they try to lure him back after BoB leaves. If they want to install a zone rushing attacking then there would be someone with both a history of working with Bill and in the McVay scheme.

I'm not too broken up about losing Caley, the tight ends haven't exactly been a strength of the team during his tenure as the TE coach.

I'm not sure if there is actually anything special about Nick Caley or if the media/fans just assumed there was something special about Nick Caley because he was the guy that Bill blocked from leaving. Was that because he didn't want to lose Caley specifically, or was it because he just happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back and Bill finally put his foot down with Josh to stop the coach poaching? It may have never had anything to do with Caley at all and instead was just to send a message and cause Josh to stop poaching, meaning other coaches that are still on the staff today are still here instead of in Vegas too.

Hard to say, really, but the fact that Caley interviewed for several OC positions, didn't get any offers, and is now leaving his TE coach position to go become a TE coach again with the Rams, whose head coach is not sure he actually wants to keep going and has encouraged his staff to find other jobs if they can find them... It's easy to come to your own conclusion even if it's based on some assumptions.

Ross12 said:

I'm not sure if there is actually anything special about Nick Caley or if the media/fans just assumed there was something special about Nick Caley because he was the guy that Bill blocked from leaving. Was that because he didn't want to lose Caley specifically, or was it because he just happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back and Bill finally put his foot down with Josh to stop the coach poaching? It may have never had anything to do with Caley at all and instead was just to send a message and cause Josh to stop poaching, meaning other coaches that are still on the staff today are still here instead of in Vegas too.

Hard to say, really, but the fact that Caley interviewed for several OC positions, didn't get any offers, and is now leaving his TE coach position to go become a TE coach again with the Rams, whose head coach is not sure he actually wants to keep going and has encouraged his staff to find other jobs if they can find them... It's easy to come to your own conclusion even if it's based on some assumptions.

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As others have pointed out, his contract was up this year. We don't even know if he was invited back to the Pats or the Raiders. This might be the only job offer he had.

Ross12 said:

I'm not sure if there is actually anything special about Nick Caley or if the media/fans just assumed there was something special about Nick Caley because he was the guy that Bill blocked from leaving. Was that because he didn't want to lose Caley specifically, or was it because he just happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back and Bill finally put his foot down with Josh to stop the coach poaching? It may have never had anything to do with Caley at all and instead was just to send a message and cause Josh to stop poaching, meaning other coaches that are still on the staff today are still here instead of in Vegas too.

Hard to say, really, but the fact that Caley interviewed for several OC positions, didn't get any offers, and is now leaving his TE coach position to go become a TE coach again with the Rams, whose head coach is not sure he actually wants to keep going and has encouraged his staff to find other jobs if they can find them... It's easy to come to your own conclusion even if it's based on some assumptions.

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I think before McDaniels left he appeared in a list of young coaches to watch and a lot was made of that and then McDaniels tried to poach him so that helped his rating.

Ollie said:

s weird that WR have been awful since Brown took over and yet he seems to be very highly rated by fans and the organisation itself

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I’m not sure this is true. I think Brown was a beloved player, so he’s always going to be looked on affectionately, but I don’t think people or the organization are seeing him as a brilliant coach, at least not yet.

mike_usagisan said:

As others have pointed out, his contract was up this year. We don't even know if he was invited back to the Pats or the Raiders. This might be the only job offer he had.

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That further makes my point. If this was the only offer he had then that tells us a lot.

Ollie said:

I think before McDaniels left he appeared in a list of young coaches to watch and a lot was made of that and then McDaniels tried to poach him so that helped his rating.

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McDaniels would’ve poached the social media manager and the janitor if Bill didn’t eventually put his foot down.

VectorPrime said:

Whatever, the years long brain drain of coaching continues unabated but please do continue to insist everything is great.

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What "brain drain"?

Our TEs have been the LEAST productive in the league during his 4-year tenure as their position coach, for multiple reasons... And yes, Slappy Caley was one of those reasons.

The real brain drain seems to have occurred when Mac's position coach during his (pro-bowl alternate) rookie season was allowed to leave for another team without a promotion being involved.

turkeyneck said:

Maybe blocking Caley from LV wasn't so much about Caley as it was telling Josh enough is enough with the poaching.

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Bill chose to allow Bo Hardegree AND Carmen Bricillo to leave for Las Vegas... Mickey Lombardi was promoted from WRC here to OC there, but that was pretty much it; and even then I considered it addition by subtraction anyway...