By the numbers: Patricia's offense downright offensive

RobertWeathers said:

He may not be regressing but asking him to do too much.

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I agree.

They drafted Mac to be a system QB, like Brady 2001. Then they change the system with on the job training coaches, including MP. Then they ask Mac to do more like Mahomes, Lamar, Allen, guys who had good OCs, QB coaches; guys who are superior athletes. Then we all wonder why he’s regressing.

That said, I expected him to be in a bit better shape and to toughen up in year 2. Injury aside, not sure that happened.

Tbh, I felt play calling and game plan similar to what we usually have . Patricia seems to be doing a. Decent job. Last year everything was telegraphed and Mac was on training wheels . This year onus is on Mac. So smart decisions are supposed to come out now and we are yet to see that .

So we need to roll in with Mac for 2023 to see if he is the guy else play the roulette again.

TomPatriot said:

Except for last year.

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Last year was a fraud.

The Pats offense beat up on the worst teams. The Pats relied heavily on the run and defense and when the defense began to show cracks all the Super Bowl talk went kaput. The fact that Mac threw 3 passes in Buffalo last year should explain everything. He does not have an NFL caliber arm. All the off season hyperbole regarding improvement of Macs arm has resulted in what you see now. Mac nearly threw a pic 6 at the NE goaline. Opposing DBs are moving in on his throws like sharks. Tom House did not fix anything because there is nothing that you can do for a weak arm.

If BB stubbornly sticks with Mac he will get fired.

borg said:

Coming to grips with Mac's talent is no different than processing the reality of Santa Claus.
The truth hurts
But we cling to the illusion for as long as we can anyway

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I'd rather "come to grips with Mac's talent" than spend the next 20 years of my life being buttsore over the fact that the former qb left for another team

321yds passing for Mac and 145yds running yesterday. Let's put the pitchforks and torches down, and stop yelling Kill the Beast, Gaston.

TomPatriot said:

I agree.

They drafted Mac to be a system QB, like Brady 2001. Then they change the system with on the job training coaches, including MP. Then they ask Mac to do more like Mahomes, Lamar, Allen, guys who had good OCs, QB coaches; guys who are superior athletes. Then we all wonder why he’s regressing.

That said, I expected him to be in a bit better shape and to toughen up in year 2. Injury aside, not sure that happened.

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I think he is in better shape, stronger, etc.

Injuries happen. Back, ankle...not much you can do about it.

My belief is coming into this year they were going to ask Mac to do more. New plays, concepts, etc. I expected an adjustment period and a few more INTs trying to make more plays downfield. What I did not expect were some of these horrendous throws directly at opposing players.

Brady did the same thing...but only once in 200+ throws. Mac is doing in every 30 or less. Not acceptable.

Jim Beankie said:

321yds passing for Mac and 145yds running yesterday. Let's put the pitchforks and torches down, and stop yelling Kill the Beast, Gaston.

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Agree. Production from the offense was fine. They showed improvement and lets be honest, BALs D is not very good but whatever.

Just bad, bad, bad mistakes at the worst possible times.

Hard to blame patricia here. Plan was good and playcalling was good other than a couple sequences. Mac made 3 or 4 awful throws, one was luckily dropped. And agholor carrying the ball with the awareness of a pee wee player, seriously i think hs kids are smarter with the ball than what i saw there. If not for those we are looking at 38+ pts. Yesterday was mostly execution . I guess we could probably use a qb coach because mac has really had some severe breakdowns, we’ll see if he cleans it up

I'm not a fan of Patricia as a person or a head coach, and that gave me a bad impression of how he'd perform in this role. I'll own up to that.

With the exception of week 1, he has not been the problem. The problem is our careless QB who makes Favre and Jameis look conservative.

Maybe that's also coaching, and maybe it's even on Patricia. But it's not the playcalling.

Pape said:

I'd rather "come to grips with Mac's talent" than spend the next 20 years of my life being buttsore over the fact that the former qb left for another team

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FYI....not mutually exclusive

It’s Detroit all over again with the call to axe Patricia.

Another name that will be added to this is Jahlani Tavai, who played against the Ravens.

He plainly sucks. At least he registered some activity on the game log, unlike Josh Uche, Mr. Goose Egg.

State said:

It’s Detroit all over again with the call to axe Patricia.

Another name that will be added to this is Jahlani Tavai, who played against the Ravens.

He plainly sucks. At least he registered some activity on the game log, unlike Josh Uche, Mr. Goose Egg.

Josh Uche, New England Patriots, LB - 2023-24 Game Log - NFL

Get up-to-date stats for every game played by Josh Uche during the 2023-24 NFL season on CBS Sports.

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Unless there is a miraculous turnaround, I think we can safely conclude Uche is a bust.

signbabybrady said:

So going from Head Coach to Offensive Assistant is a promotion?

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It could be if your old team is still paying you as a HC, which is the reason he and Judge don't have titles in the first place.

At some point as fans we need to wake up to the reality that this offense is bad and Patricia doesn't seem to be the answer. I still don't get what's happening with Bourne. On a day when Jones' favorite target was missing, he gets on the field for less plays than anyone, even though he was healthy and effective while in there. That blows.

RobertWeathers said:

Unless there is a miraculous turnaround, I think we can safely conclude Uche is a bust.

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Add him to the list.

RobertWeathers said:

Unless there is a miraculous turnaround, I think we can safely conclude Uche is a bust.

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Although undersized, Uche has elite athletic traits. But give his college defensive coordinator a few beers and ask about him.

Don Brown will say you can’t fix what’s between Uche’s ears.

Don’t want to egg on Captain Stone, but this was a questionable second round pick from the start.

There was a reason Don Brown was clearly reluctant to start Uche except a few times as a senior. Even then, going against pro style offenses like Penn State’s he rarely even saw the field.

That tells me Don Brown was right.

Multiple things can be true at one time.

1) Regardless of how yesterdays offensive game plan went yesterday, Patricia should not be anywhere near this team. Awful coach in Detroit and a hugely overrated and actually sneaky bad defensive coordinator for the Pats. He’s another of these wannabe BB coaches that Bill seems to spawn.

2) Other than the criminally bad 4th and 3 call to Bourne that called for a play that didn’t even get the receiver close to the first down, there wasn’t a ton to get up in arms about. If Mac didn’t throw it straight to the other team on multiple occasions then we might be having another conversation today.

Fubby said:

Other than the criminally bad 4th and 3 call to Bourne that called for a play that didn’t even get the receiver close to the first down

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Jones rushed it. A moment longer and he would have seen Parker open who would have walked in for a TD.

It's funny that people think that Patricia called a play to a guy that if Meyers was active probably would have seen half the snaps he did and not the guy that had something like a 30 yard catch average in the game.

RobertWeathers said:

Unless there is a miraculous turnaround, I think we can safely conclude Uche is a bust.

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Disappointing.

Fubby said:

Multiple things can be true at one time.

1) Regardless of how yesterdays offensive game plan went yesterday, Patricia should not be anywhere near this team. Awful coach in Detroit and a hugely overrated and actually sneaky bad defensive coordinator for the Pats. He’s another of these wannabe BB coaches that Bill seems to spawn.

2) Other than the criminally bad 4th and 3 call to Bourne that called for a play that didn’t even get the receiver close to the first down, there wasn’t a ton to get up in arms about. If Mac didn’t throw it straight to the other team on multiple occasions then we might be having another conversation today.

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#1 You realize Patricia headed the top defense in the NFL when he was here.

Top as in #1.

I have no idea how Patricia is doing. I do like the mix of plays. A lot. BUT... I have no idea what the play design is. It could be totally wrong.

That being said, I'll note there was a thread here that about 1/3rd of the posters agreed with last year, and it said, "It's time to get rid of Josh McDaniels."

You cant change your OC every year because things aren't going right.

You should only change him when he's inept.

I'll leave that up to Bill to decide.

Yesterday I saw someone post that Patricia doesn't know what he's doing because there's no presnap movement. As though Patricia is unaware of how presnap movement impacts a defense's ability to read plays. He's highly aware.

The question for me, which I had high confidence in when McDaniels was here, does Patricia appreciate the way the Patriots took advantage of space?

Because I don't see Mac taking what the defense is giving him. Instead I see Mac looking directly downfield every play and ignoring the easy stuff.

If we throw short, it's by design so the defense easily limits YAC.

I saw the Ravens doing the opposite: when they didn't have stuff downfield, Lamar always got the ball to the guy leaking out, and almost every time it was a 10 yard gain.

The Bills play the same way. Daboll designed it.

The degree of difficulty for Mac Jones is very high.