OT: Dolphins Owner Steven Ross Suspended, Picks Forfeited, For Tampering With Brady, Payton

Pape said:

Influence his game play? Probably not, as he is the ultimate competitor. Negativitly influence his negotiations with the team? Absolutely.

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He was done with the Pats. If you listen to the Stern interview this is pretty clear. He was moving on. Not saying Brady is perfect here, but I’ve been in a similar situation talking to other organizations and it sucks.

Ross12 said:

Just your friendly every-two-page reminder to discuss the topic of the thread, not whether BB is better than Tom or Tom is better than BB or whether your package is the biggest or whatever, and to not personally attack other posters, or else you might get dumped.

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203Pat said:

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Lol... Congratulations you just won 20 more Brady loyalty points... You can get a .1% discount when you spend them on his $400 TB12 cookbook

Lmao

Wozzy said:

He was grousing all season, he was having Meyers benched, he was demanding they acquire vets like AB and Sanu... I doubt entirely he tried less.

He knows how hard it is to win a ring, he was leaving anyway, he knew it and said so a year later on Howard Stern. He was dealing with multiple injuries... his injured O-Line got him beaten up earlier in the season. The offense got worse and worse in 2019 and one can track how they got worse in lockstep with injuries he acquired. Ring or no ring he was leaving, he'd rather have the ring and be gone than not. They just weren't good enough at the end of the season to win.

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Let's not forget this happened. 83 catches with a rookie QB last year.

neuronet said:

He was done with the Pats. If you listen to the Stern interview this is pretty clear. He was moving on. Not saying Brady is perfect here, but I’ve been in a similar situation talking to other organizations and it sucks.

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Which was in 2020... A full year after he was negotiating with the lieami dolphins... Funny how the timing worked out on that, isn't it? The events already came to pass... There's no reason he would lie about anything...

Oh wait... Remember the 90% of what I say isn't what I'm thinking quote from The Shop?

TommyD4207 said:

Let's not forget this happened. 83 catches with a rookie QB last year.

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Meyers had caught over 70% of his targets and caught 9 straight over two games when Tom had him benched in Cleveland... all because he wanted Sanu on the field. So he made a scene when Jakobi didn't run the third progression on his route... something both AB and Sanu were guilty of in the same season.

He shattered Meyer's confidence and he wasn't the same player after that in 2019 when they needed him later in the year because Sanu got hurt. Brady's diva BS absolutely hurt the team, but I don't believe he dogged it.

If Brady was so upset and felt as though the team was showing no long term loyalty to him starting back in 2017, who was signing the contracts that kept him on the team all the way until 2019?
When Brady started talking about playing until 45, I wondered if we would be able to pinpoint the exact instance that Brady would understand that it's not viable for a franchise to sink long term deals into a past the average retirement age quarterback. Now we know. To bad he had to be such a **** about it.

Wozzy said:

He shattered Meyer's confidence and he wasn't the same player after that in 2019 when they needed him later in the year because Sanu got hurt. Brady's diva BS absolutely hurt the team, but I don't believe he dogged it.

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I think if AB did not do AB things there is a realistic chance we would've repeated.

Brady is not getting his number retired.

Wozzy said:

Brady's diva BS absolutely hurt the team, but I don't believe he dogged it.

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Clearly there is a spectrum between "dogging it" and "all in".

The pushback I read here is "how dare you say the GOAT was anything else but all in", yet we all know he wasn't. If the pouting on the field didn't convince you, now you know he was already spending time in-season talking to an in-conference rival about playing for them.

Yet I also don't think he was "dogging it".

It is similar to an employee serving out their two week notice. They know they gotta show up and perform at least well enough to meet their own standards, but at the same time they know they are out of there so feel free to do diva things they wouldn't do under normal circumstances.

Now, I know why it got quiet all of a sudden on this thread...

ArchAngel007 said:

I think if AB did not do AB things there is a realistic chance we would've repeated.

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Does Tom still get injured, does he accept Meyers if AB is still around?

These hypothetical alternate universes are just mental masturbation at this point... he's gone. I'm so over it.

I'm onto Mac Jones...

Bill Lee said:

It is similar to an employee serving out their two week notice. They know they gotta show up and perform at least well enough to meet their own standards, but at the same time they know they are out of there so feel free to do diva things they wouldn't do under normal circumstances.

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That is exactly it, right there. I have been in that position myself. It is very difficult to get yourself motivated those last two weeks. On top of that, if something you are working on goes wrong, you really don't care because it's going to be someone else's problem.

Bill Lee said:

Clearly there is a spectrum between "dogging it" and "all in".

The pushback I read here is "how dare you say the GOAT was anything else but all in", yet we all know he wasn't. If the pouting on the field didn't convince you, now you know he was already spending time in-season talking to an in-conference rival about playing for them.

Yet I also don't think he was "dogging it".

It is similar to an employee serving out their two week notice. They know they gotta show up and perform at least well enough to meet their own standards, but at the same time they know they are out of there so feel free to do diva things they wouldn't do under normal circumstances.

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He was clearly being a diva, it spent the rest of our cap space and wasted our time with AB, it cost us a 2nd to trade for Sanu, it ruined Meyers for the remainder of 2019... beyond that I don't think he intentionally threw a pick six against Tennessee in the playoffs... I think the team simply wasn't good enough for a multitude of reasons... Brady being injured and out of touch with his receivers being one of them.

Bill Lee said:

Now, I know why it got quiet all of a sudden on this thread...

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Why did his marketing team make it look like a gift from the Colts?

bresna said:

Why did his marketing team make it look like a gift from the Colts?

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Was just gonna say isn't that Andrew Luck's box? lol

bresna said:

That is exactly it, right there. I have been in that position myself. It is very difficult to get yourself motivated those last two weeks. On top of that, if something you are working on goes wrong, you really don't care because it's going to be someone else's problem.

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Situation was a lot worse than that. In cases where an important employee is leaving to join a competitor, they are walked out the door immediately. The analogy to Brady having ongoing undisclosed discussions with a division rival in the business world would result in a law suit and an attempt to claw back compensation. The Pats are not going to sue Brady, but there is little doubt that they could, should, and would likely win.

Bill Lee said:

Clearly there is a spectrum between "dogging it" and "all in".

The pushback I read here is "how dare you say the GOAT was anything else but all in", yet we all know he wasn't. If the pouting on the field didn't convince you, now you know he was already spending time in-season talking to an in-conference rival about playing for them.

Yet I also don't think he was "dogging it".

It is similar to an employee serving out their two week notice. They know they gotta show up and perform at least well enough to meet their own standards, but at the same time they know they are out of there so feel free to do diva things they wouldn't do under normal circumstances.

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The employee in question is your best employee who help the boards makes millions but quits after 15 years because he thinks that his bosses continues to undervalue him and not rewarding him appropriately.

Both sides have their responsibility. I always find too easy when the management or the fans put the onus on the employee or the player to always have the right attitude regardless of all the sh*t they have to deal with.

When you come to the point where you piss off the best player in nfl history and the face of the franchise and your best player to the point he doesn’t want to play for you and can’t wait to get out, you deserve some blame too. it’s not like Brady turned down a 150M fully garanteed contract over 5 years to f*ck us and Bill was doing everything in his power to accommodate him but that’s just my opinion.

Edit: I have been in the same situation where I felt undervalued in my past organisation and was looking for another job while still working my old job and I quit only after my next contract was finalized. Everybody has his own opinion . Mine is that the tampering didn’t impact his performance on the field.

Bill Lee said:

While the headline is about tampering, seems the NFL is also using this as a way to slap Ross's wrist for encouraging tanking:

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I hope Brian Flores is available when BB retires. I've hoped he could succeed BB in Foxboro.

Kasmir said:

Situation was a lot worse than that. In cases where an important employee is leaving to join a competitor, they are walked out the door immediately. The analogy to Brady having ongoing undisclosed discussions with a division rival in the business world would result in a law suit and an attempt to claw back compensation. The Pats are not going to sue Brady, but there is little doubt that they could, should, and would likely win.

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That's why most people leaving won't say where they are going next. Non-competes are largely un-enforceable. Good luck with getting compensation. The difference here is the NFL is its own thing so it can discipline its own franchise holders within the structures of NFL rules because the franchise owners agreed to such rules when they bought in to the league.

So, IMO, there are parallels to the real world, in that tampering is officially against the rules but largely ignored if the parties are discrete. According to the NFL ruling, MIA was not discrete, they were flagrant.

The rules are there to prevent flagrant tampering from undermining the structure of the league. See the case of the NBA where we see top talent shoot their way out of town. The NBA discourages it, but when push comes to shove there is little they can do about it.