Ryan Clark thinks Dolphins will be better than Pats!?

pazrul72 · May 29, 2022

WhatJustHappened said:
Says WHO? YOU?
He was TORCHED by decent WRS, he wasn't as good as his INTS say he was.
All those ints, why was he able to get them, was he freelancing (other than HORRIFIC qb play/deflections)?
Without looking back through play by play, didn't our new BUM WR DP TEAR HIS ASS OPEN? I thought Parker was mediocre?
He's a good CB, but IMHO, WAY OVERRATED.
That's MY OPINION of him, I'd like it if he were still here, but I'm not upset about him going for 17-18 per...
I just don't think he's an Island guy, and THAT is where I personally believe you pay that for.

Pick a stat. Any stat they track for CBs. JC Jackson is top 5 in all of them. There is no way you can argue he is not a top 5 CB. He is not over rated if anything he is being criminally under rated. No one, especially “bum wr dp“ (defuq even is that?) torched him. Yes I would agree his INTs tended to come in batches against the Jets, and had a large element of luck to them, but you know who else has that problem? Every CB ever. Ty Law got 3 against Payton Manning in a playoff game. I don’t have the exact number in front of me but I would imagine that was 50% of his INTs that year. Honestly before the year started I thought JC was only worth 13-14 a year. Then i looked at all the stats, took my old school this is how CBs should look blinders off, and got with the this is how 2022 CBs look and realized JC IS worth 18-20 per. I am pissed they didn’t sign him to the deal LA signed him for but JC choose more guaranteed money faster as is his right. I am also pissed you are making me agree with rainmaker and venecal but you sound unhinged with your JC hatred. “A good number 2” is insulting to a top 5 #1

patfanken · May 29, 2022

First of all, caring about what ANYONE is predicting or ranking in MAY, June, July, or August in just ludicrous. About this time in 2001 Pro Football Weekly (at the time a very influential media source) wrote that the Pats were LEAST likely to go to a superbowl over the next FIVE years. As we all know they WON 3 in that period. Tell me the mediots who had the Bengals going to the superbowl and if not for Aaron Donald would have won it. Why anyone cares about what a person says, positive OR negative, at this time boggles my mind.

As for the JC Jackson dialog, I say so what, Jackson is gone. I thought he was a good starting CB for the Pats. True there will be no "Jackson Island" but he was paid a fair contract IIMHO) by the Rams at around 16MM/yr, His #1 quality (also IMHO) was his availability. The guy RARELY missed a game. He has a elite nose for the ball obviously, and was very good against the run and the stats say he was very good against the pass. I would have loved to keep him, but the market was in the 16-18 range for him and that was too much for the Pats to absorb. Think about it. If they had kept him at that price there would be 2 or 3 potential starters who would not be on the team. RIght off the top of my head there would be no Parker, no McCourty, and/or Trent Brown. Yea they COULD have signed him by moving all they money into the future, but then you wouldn't have the Pats possibly being close to $100mm in cap space, while at that time LA i will have JC at a $$18mm cap hit for 4 years after next year. Great signing for LA for next year pairing him with

I bet the Pats wanted to keep him, but the timing was wrong. His FA year came a year too soon for the Pats to afford him. But the fact is that he DIDN'T suck, but he wasn't perfect either. I believe he was a top 10 CB last season, and $16-18mm/yr is what top 10 CB's get in 2021 and that was a market that the Pats couldn't compete at. it was what it was great signing for the Rams for next year pairing him with Ramsey with only an $8mm cap hit. You can keep pushing the cap forward, but it eventually comes to roost at a time where player costs are soaring.

The thing is that all star teams are often top heavy can't absorb injuries. We saw that up close and personal during the Pete Carrol years when injuries sabotaged the Pats when the players who came in weren't any good. It is always great to have a lot top 10 players on your team, but superbowl teams with a great middle class of players are the ones who can absorb the war of attrition that is the NFL season.

upstater1 · May 29, 2022

The one big problem I have with letting JC Jackson go is that there is no help on the way in FA next summer, so if we have a problem at CB, it's going to be a multi-year problem.

One-If-By-Sea · May 29, 2022

patfanken said:
First of all, caring about what ANYONE is predicting or ranking in MAY, June, July, or August in just ludicrous. About this time in 2001 Pro Football Weekly (at the time a very influential media source) wrote that the Pats were LEAST likely to go to a superbowl over the next FIVE years. As we all know they WON 3 in that period. Tell me the mediots who had the Bengals going to the superbowl and if not for Aaron Donald would have won it. Why anyone cares about what a person says, positive OR negative, at this time boggles my mind.

As for the JC Jackson dialog, I say so what, Jackson is gone. I thought he was a good starting CB for the Pats. True there will be no "Jackson Island" but he was paid a fair contract IIMHO) by the Rams at around 16MM/yr, His #1 quality (also IMHO) was his availability. The guy RARELY missed a game. He has a elite nose for the ball obviously, and was very good against the run and the stats say he was very good against the pass. I would have loved to keep him, but the market was in the 16-18 range for him and that was too much for the Pats to absorb. Think about it. If they had kept him at that price there would be 2 or 3 potential starters who would not be on the team. RIght off the top of my head there would be no Parker, no McCourty, and/or Trent Brown. Yea they COULD have signed him by moving all they money into the future, but then you wouldn't have the Pats possibly being close to $100mm in cap space, while at that time LA i will have JC at a $$18mm cap hit for 4 years after next year. Great signing for LA for next year pairing him with

I bet the Pats wanted to keep him, but the timing was wrong. His FA year came a year too soon for the Pats to afford him. But the fact is that he DIDN'T suck, but he wasn't perfect either. I believe he was a top 10 CB last season, and $16-18mm/yr is what top 10 CB's get in 2021 and that was a market that the Pats couldn't compete at. it was what it was great signing for the Rams for next year pairing him with Ramsey with only an $8mm cap hit. You can keep pushing the cap forward, but it eventually comes to roost at a time where player costs are soaring.

The thing is that all star teams are often top heavy can't absorb injuries. We saw that up close and personal during the Pete Carrol years when injuries sabotaged the Pats when the players who came in weren't any good. It is always great to have a lot top 10 players on your team, but superbowl teams with a great middle class of players are the ones who can absorb the war of attrition that is the NFL season.

JC signed with the Chargers not the Rams. He will never play with Ramsey. Your post is messed up. Nice try though.

Ice_Ice_Brady · May 29, 2022

Both teams are projected to go .500 by almost every objective predictive measure. Why is this a thread?

kennyb · May 29, 2022

Not a controversial opinion at all. Miami might be much better. 11 losses for our boys wouldn't surprise me.

That's what happens when you pay top dollar for stiffs like jonnu smith and god-awful-cheaux. And alligator-arms-gohor. And re-signing mcourty for top $. A non playmaking fossil of a safety for top $. Exec of the year? More like sucker of the year. Heck of a job bill.

But anything can happen. Maybe they'll make the playoffs and doing so, not get humiliated on national tv.

upstater1 · May 29, 2022

kennyb said:
Not a controversial opinion at all. Miami might be much better. 11 losses for our boys wouldn't surprise me.

That's what happens when you pay top dollar for stiffs like jonnu smith and god-awful-cheaux. And alligator-arms-gohor. And re-signing mcourty for top $. A non playmaking fossil of a safety for top $. Exec of the year? More like sucker of the year. Heck of a job bill.

But anything can happen. Maybe they'll make the playoffs and doing so, not get humiliated on national tv.

This is just nonsense.

$20m is the going rate for a starting WR. Algholor came in on a short contract (2 yrs) & $11m. He's not getting what Russell Gage is getting. McCourty too signed for 1 yr. Godchaux is also 2 years, hardly an albatross contract, and what do you expect for $7m? It's not top dollar.

Jonnu Smith is the only one who is overpaid, but I see you didn't mention the hits on Bourne (who is significantly underpaid at $5m), while Judon and Hunter Henry are more than solid.

Have you been paying attention to the free agent market? It has skyrocketed.

Heck, Bourne is making less than what David Givens got from Tennessee 17 years ago.

Rob0729 · May 29, 2022

Preseason predictions are like buttholes. Everyone has one and most of them stink. Who cares?

Go back and look at some of last year’s preseason predictions. People got so many things wrong it isn’t even funny. People had the Chargers winning the Super Bowl (they were a common preseason favorite) and they didn’t even make the playoffs. A lot people didn’t have the Bengals making the playoffs and they went to the Super Bowl.

HetfieldFogerty · May 31, 2022

Never thought I’d be this negative, but I have us pegged at about 6-11. We’re missing a lot of elements, but I’m most disappointed by our lack of progress in the front 7. Barmore and Judon are the only two good players there. I’d maybe even say they’re the only two that aren’t below average. I thought we clearly needed to address that area (probably twice) early in the draft, but we didn’t draft a single one. It’s hard to win with a subpar defensive front…

Wozzy · May 31, 2022

A majority of experts said the Dolphins and Jests were going to be better than us last year… they’ve been waiting decades to bury the Pats. Don’t hold your breath.

venecol · May 31, 2022

Wozzy said:
A majority of experts said the Dolphins and Jests were going to be better than us last year… they’ve been waiting decades to bury the Pats. Don’t hold your breath.

The Jete are going to Jete.

Pats are 1-3 against MIA the last 2 seasons. All losses against Tua. On paper, MIA got better. Can't win the division going 3-3 in the division.

Wozzy · May 31, 2022

venecol said:
The Jete are going to Jete.

Pats are 1-3 against MIA the last 2 seasons. All losses against Tua. On paper, MIA got better. Can't win the division going 3-3 in the division.

Pats made the playoffs, Miami fell apart and fired their coach. There are no moral victories.

Miami has a distinct advantage playing in the tropical Miami heat and humidity, Denver has a distinct advantage playing in a higher elevation… it doesn’t make them better than NE or another playoff team.

Patnation21 · May 31, 2022

Fubby said:
Dolphins swept patriots last season, finished with one less win, made some roster improvements this offseason (the Patriots didn’t), and have a coaching staff that actually knows what their job is going to be.

So not sure why anyone would think this is a controversial take by Clark.

If it wasn't for the wind game we probably get smashed by Buffalo and end up tied with Miami and missing playoffs. Miami would end up in 2nd place if not for that game.

Wozzy · May 31, 2022

Patnation21 said:
If it wasn't for the wind game we probably get smashed by Buffalo and end up tied with Miami and missing playoffs. Miami would end up in 2nd place if not for that game.

If not for the wind game maybe New England wouldn't exit the bye believing all the great things the media were saying about them, like their crap didn't stink... and that would propel them the rest of the way. We can play the "what if" game all day long.

New England was a better team than the Dolphins in 2021, that's just a fact. It has no bearing at all on 2022, every season is a new season. Nothing is written.

XLIX · May 31, 2022

stcjones said:
While I think the Dolphins will have a slightly better year than last…..I don’t see them doing better than the Pats this year…#1 reason is that I don’t think Tua is an elite QB and I think their offense will still have struggles. Yes they have Hill but they don’t have a “Mahomes “throwing to himI also don’t think their coach is ready for the big time ….we shall see….. What do you all think!?

Ryan Clark: Dolphins are bigger threat to Bills than Patriots

The AFC East might be getting a bit tighter for the Buffalo Bills.

sports.yahoo.com

What do I think? Well, the Dolphins finished one game behind NE last year and picked up a premiere receiver. I am not saying I agree with him, but someone suggesting Miami will have a better year than NE isn't exactly making the hot take of the year.

TheRainMaker · May 31, 2022

Remember Mike Wallace after he left Pittsburgh? I think this will be Tyrek Hill in Miami. Tua will not be able to push it downfield.

However, look out for the Shanahan run scheme as it can make any RB look competent.

Rob0729 · May 31, 2022

venecol said:
The Jete are going to Jete.

Pats are 1-3 against MIA the last 2 seasons. All losses against Tua. On paper, MIA got better. Can't win the division going 3-3 in the division.

I think the loss of Flores in head to head match ups is a bigger loss than all the things the Dolphins added. Former Patriots head coaches have a lot of success vs the Pats even when they have lesser teams than the Patriots. You have seen it with McDaniels when he was in Denver and to a lesser extent O’Brien in Houston in the past.

PATSYLICIOUS · Jun 1, 2022

Rob0729 said:
I think the loss of Flores in head to head match ups is a bigger loss than all the things the Dolphins added. Former Patriots head coaches have a lot of success vs the Pats even when they have lesser teams than the Patriots. You have seen it with McDaniels when he was in Denver and to a lesser extent O’Brien in Houston in the past.

Heck , even patricia and the lions dominated us in 2018 with a team that eventually won the sb. Mangini also had a couple wins on bb with some bad teams. Always hated it when i saw a former coach on the schedule

RedSleevesPinkStripes · Jun 1, 2022

He might be right, who knows, it's June.

All3Phases · Jun 1, 2022

I dont see whats wrong with him giving his opinion. Two teams relatively close to each other in the league hierarchy. Miami has a new coach, but one whos offensive minded which is the new hot trend in the league. He could be good for Tua, we will have to wait and see. But its not a blasphemous opinion

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