Colts want NFL to Explain

speed said:

I think maybe we are entitled to some answers.

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On this message board, you are entitled to NOTHING! As for the Colts and referees, Polian and Dungy are entitled to NOTHING!

ATippett56 said:

On this message board, you are entitled to NOTHING! As for the Colts and referees, Polian and Dungy are entitled to NOTHING!

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did you order the pats jersey in red??

Did You Order The Pats Jersey In Red???

DID YOU ORDER THE PATS JERSEY IN RED?

speed said:

did you order the pats jersey in red??

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Is a red jersey suppose to make you more knowledgeable. Must of missed the memo from the Pats mods on that subject!

Anyway, I would think if they had to do that over again, the refs they would spot the ball and THEN measure to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

If they would have measured it and it was short of the first down, would they have then reveiwed it for the spot? The Bolt fans would have went bezerk.

Again, its not a big deal, absolutely no impact on the outcome of the game.

ATippett56 said:

Is a red jersey suppose to make you more knowledgeable. Must of missed the memo from the Pats mods on that subject!

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no , it the whole code red play on words..... I know, I know really weak.

CTPatsFan said:

Is there a YouTube clip of the snap in question? I didn't get to watch the game, just listened to it on Sirius. There must be but I'm apparenty missing the keyword needed to find it. I've found other plays but I can't find this one.

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I looked for it too and can't find it. There was a video of the game on Nfl.com but miraculously it disappeared after Monday.

pwes said:

I looked for it too and can't find it. There was a video of the game on Nfl.com but miraculously it disappeared after Monday.

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You don't say!

I know only Colts fans and Patriots trolls are probably still following this topic, but I found this video funny (it was in the related videos section of the clip posted previously in this topic). Bob Lamey calls AV's missed kick good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abGZ_gxQpCk

alamo said:

I know only Colts fans and Patriots trolls are probably still following this topic, but I found this video funny (it was in the related videos section of the clip posted previously in this topic). Bob Lamey calls AV's missed kick good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abGZ_gxQpCk

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I thought it was good to when I seen it on TV.

Yeah I'm not going to lie I thought it was good too.

Lamey is ridiculous though.

pwes said:

Yeah I'm not going to lie I thought it was good too.

Lamey is ridiculous though.

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I was in my car when Lamey said that Aaron Baily caught the hail mary pass against Pittsburgh that would have sent them to the Superbowl, in 95 I think..... Um ya, he dropped it, Bob almost made me drive off the road. Have you ever seen Bob, he has a physique for radio for sure!

LOL. That's funny. Adam clearly shanked it, and the announcer says it is good. It seems like Colt fans live in a special la la land, where they believe everything the Colts do MUST turn out good. Oops sorry to break it to you but AV did MISS the FG and the Colts are 7-2.

Return of the Nizz said:

This is clearly bull****. The ball was clearly spotted inside the six before the review. I love how they say you can't make excuses and then offer up... a bunch of excuses.

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I think you're missing his point. I think what he is saying is that when they started that series, they started it outside the 16 yard line -- that is, between the 16 and 17. Yet, when they measured for the first down after the review, the first down yard stick was inside the six.

He's right about the second part, at least as I recall it -- the chains did stretch to just beyond the 6, that is, on the side of the 6 yard line closest to the end zone. I don't know if he is correct about the series starting outside the 16. If he is, that is a problem, and he's right to bring it up. It should be easy to see where the series started.

I actually think he might have something here. It was under 2 minutes. The crew initially signalled first down, and it took a while until the review booth signalled down. I bet they had moved the chains, because they move very quickly in an end of game situation once the ref signals first down. I think what he's saying is that they had to go back and reset the chains before measuring. I bet he's right about that too. And finally he's claiming they reset them wrong. I have no idea whether that's correct, although, as I said, it should be easy to check. If the spot on the start of that series truly was outside the 16 yard line, then they did get jobbed.

pwes said:

Yeah I'm not going to lie I thought it was good too.

Lamey is ridiculous though.

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yeah most Colts fans would agree with that..

speed said:

Anyway, I would think if they had to do that over again, the refs they would spot the ball and THEN measure to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

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They did.

They respotted the ball after the review, and then they measured and said it was a 4th down.

The question is whether they had messed up the chains before the measurement. I doubt they did, but that's what the colts now appear to be claiming. Should be easy to see. I seem to remember the yellow line being exactly where the chains came to on the measurement, but game tape showing the start of the series around the 16 should make this a clear answer one way or the other.

cblesz said:

That is so freaking true.

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You guys sure do have the inside track on the truth.

Impressive.

So if anyone cares they explained the penalty on Official Review.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8043262f

It's at 3:15.

PatsFaninAZ said:

If the spot on the start of that series truly was outside the 16 yard line, then they did get jobbed.

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The replay on NFLN tonight put a dotted line at the spot of the previous first down. As best as I can remember it showed the tip of the ball was just touching the 16 yard line. So the yellow first down line they showed at the later third down measurement was basically correct, the chains were wrong (inside of the 6), but the ball was spotted (after the review) outside the 6 yard line. So the chains were wrong but had the chains been right it would STILL have been 4th down. A shorter 4th down, but still 4th down.

Man, I LOVED that replay tonight...six awesomely horrible picks...and then the look on crybaby Peytie's goober mug when Adam shanked that kick...you could see he wanted to go all Vanderjagt on Adam but bit his lip...heh heh heh...but that's Pay-Me-Tons..when pressured he cracks like Humpty Dumpty and then looks to blame anybody/everybody else.It took Polian four years to get the rules set-up so Peytie's game wouldn't be disrupted by coverages or pressure...but as ANYONE can see, he's a little fairy when you get any heat on him

This is a different call and again the Colts COMPLETELY deserved to lose that game. They really sucked in every facet except defensively. However, I'm surprised the NFL talked so openly about this though.

The level of referring seems very poor this year.
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Today on NFL Network's Total Access, the league's head of officials, Mike Pereira, called blowing the play dead, "the worst mistake you can make." Pereira explained that the official who blew the play dead is in his first year in the NFL after a career officiating college football, and he forgot that the college football rule is different from the NFL rule in that players who dive to the ground to catch a pass are not down as soon as they catch it in the NFL but are down as soon as they catch it in college.

Pereira said he has told the official in the future that he should officiate without the whistle in his mouth so that he doesn't blow plays dead too quickly. Pereira said of the official who made the mistake, "Nobody feels worse." He then corrected himself and said, "Maybe the Colts feel worse."