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Dugger possible COVID positive or contact (edit: added to Reserve/Covid list)


I like that scenario, PP. However, I have this nagging feeling that the ref crew is going to severely affect the course of this game...Buffalo 34 Pats 17. This crew allows uncalled holding like it's a national pastime. Allen will get outside on scrambles all game IMO. That being said, I believe the Foxboro game will play out much differently
Agree. I see a lot of experts picking us to win, but I think that may be due more to us being on a hot streak. I am sure we can win this game, but I have more confidence in the Foxboro game, even though it will be coming off another tough road game against the Dolts.
 
Yes, Dugger I better and can do more things, but Williams is ok
Thats an understatement. Dugger has been fantastic, while Slojuan has been a liability so far. I'm not sure playing a new position will help that.
 
To provide a bit more detail here: Yes, there is a shortage of healthcare workers; this was the case before COVID and was going to be an ongoing issue regardless of whether COVID occurred or not. Tunescribe did not deny that fact generally but he suggested that isn't in large part due to vaccine mandates. Certainly in some cases that shortage has been further strained by vaccine mandates, but the overall percentage of healthcare workers refusing a vaccine (and the subsequent impact on the existing shortage of workers) is relatively low/small in impact.

The relevant question is: what percentage of life/death surgeries are being postponed because a healthcare worker refused a COVID vaccine? I don't know what that exact number is and I doubt many do (other than statisticians whose job it is to analyze these things).

Tying in the conspiracy remark to the healthcare worker shortage seems unfair, since those remarks came in different contexts. Tunescribe's spouse works in healthcare so he's better versed in all of this than I am, but I didn't take his post to mean that he's claiming the healthcare worker shortage is a conspiracy -- I think he was referring to the many other elements of PF13's posts which are chalk-full of factually wrong information and claims.

To clarify something regarding the nationwide shortage of healthcare workers, nurses specifically: again, the anti-vaccination issue is a very, very minor factor; professional medical people understand and embrace the necessity of getting vaccinated to protect themselves, co-workers and foremost their patients. (During the pandemic's height a year ago, hospital staffers were screened daily entering the facility.) The shortage primarily involves people quitting over stress-related burnout from rising patient acuity (including Covid cases) and institutional failure to adjust nurse-to-patient ratios accordingly. The manageable standard is four patients to one nurse, but for-profit hospitals push the limits on staff welfare/patient safety to keep the $$$ flowing. A nurse just can't efficiently care for five or six really sick patients on a routine basis and remain sane. This is why nurse unions are striking, a la the ongoing strike at St. Vincent Hospital in Worcester, now in its ninth month, seeking a contractual limit of four-to-one. This is becoming a nationwide movement as other nurse unions are striking or planning to over patient ratios.
 
Covid has just been proven so dangerous for these athletes
 
I propose deleting any post that doesn't mention Dugger!

I mean, really, it's not like we haven't had chances to express our opinion on COVID, and most of the posts aren't even relating to sports at all.

For those who came here to learn about his status for Monday's game:

The Patriots placed safety Kyle Dugger on the reserve/COVID-19 list on Wednesday, putting his status for their upcoming Week Thirteen matchup against their division rivals in serious doubt.

While reports indicate Dugger having tested positive, he still has a chance to play. If he is vaccinated, and asymptomatic, he must produce two negative tests taken 24 hours apart to be activated in time for Monday night’s game.

Ref: New England Patriots S Kyle Dugger Placed on COVID/Reserve List: What It Means for New England - Sports Illustrated New England Patriots News, Analysis and More
 
I still think that if Dugger is unable to go we'll either put Phillips in his place or activate Bledsoe. I would be surprised if we plug a corner in his place.
It remains very rare that one individual shadows a player every snap in this year's majority of defensive alignments.

So what's the parlay on Bledsoe the rookie who hasn't played at all activation and/or Phillips shadow everywhere Knox goes versus a mix of personnel (including DBs like Williams) already very familiar with the system/have been playing over the past ten games defending TEs?
 
I propose deleting any post that doesn't mention Dugger!

I mean, really, it's not like we haven't had chances to express our opinion on COVID, and most of the posts aren't even relating to sports at all.

For those who came here to learn about his status for Monday's game:



Ref: New England Patriots S Kyle Dugger Placed on COVID/Reserve List: What It Means for New England - Sports Illustrated New England Patriots News, Analysis and More

This might be the one time I'm glad the Pats are playing Monday night. :)
 
It remains very rare that one individual shadows a player every snap in this year's majority of defensive alignments.

So what's the parlay on Bledsoe the rookie who hasn't played at all activation and/or Phillips shadow everywhere Knox goes versus a mix of personnel (including DBs like Williams) already very familiar with the system/have been playing over the past ten games defending TEs?

Well we drafted Bledsoe and we just activated him off NFI so he damn well better be ready to play, eh? He should already be familiar with our system.
 
To clarify something regarding the nationwide shortage of healthcare workers, nurses specifically: again, the anti-vaccination issue is a very, very minor factor; professional medical people understand and embrace the necessity of getting vaccinated to protect themselves, co-workers and foremost their patients. (During the pandemic's height a year ago, hospital staffers were screened daily entering the facility.) The shortage primarily involves people quitting over stress-related burnout from rising patient acuity (including Covid cases) and institutional failure to adjust nurse-to-patient ratios accordingly. The manageable standard is four patients to one nurse, but for-profit hospitals push the limits on staff welfare/patient safety to keep the $$$ flowing. A nurse just can't efficiently care for five or six really sick patients on a routine basis and remain sane. This is why nurse unions are striking, a la the ongoing strike at St. Vincent Hospital in Worcester, now in its ninth month, seeking a contractual limit of four-to-one. This is becoming a nationwide movement as other nurse unions are striking or planning to over patient ratios.
Regarding the nursing shortage in many parts of the country, there's a real Catch 22 dilemma facing hospitals. Desperate hospitals pay massive daily bonuses in addition to their sizeable salaries. At the hospital my wife works at, they pay an extra $1000 per shift on top normal wages that already are in the $1000 range. While some nurses take full advantage of the massive bonuses and work weeks on end without taking any time off, most see the extra large pay checks as an opportunity to work less days and still be able to cover their monthly expenses, hence the shortage.
Another issue is nurse poaching by other hospitals in the area that have similar staffing issues. The least desirable hospital in the area has been offering $1500 daily bonuses.
The wife has been telling me the most prevalent conversations at the nurses station having nothing to do with care but rather about what model Mercedes or new home they are all buying.
 
Sorry, is Dugger out or in for Monday night?
 
He went out of his assignment to cover Harry right after the snap.
Mac just didn't notice, else Harry would have had 30 yards or more gain possibly a TD, Terrell was not assigned to cover Smith but Harry on the outside (#24 on Harry), after the snap the LB (#45) was covering Smith and stopped/lost him at the 25/20 yardline where he was expecting Safety help (#21) coming over the top.

Terrell just don't gave a **** to cover Harry and read Macs eyes, cut the route from Smith there and was in the perfect spot to pick the ball...nice play by the CB, but could have been exposed if Mac had recognized it better. The Play design by McD was Harry to go cut out route, thus taking the CB (#24) out of the play in the middle to avoid such an undercut...the fact that the CB (#24) turned his hipps inside as soon as the ball is snapped while Harrys route was supposed to go outside should have shown Mac that the CB was anyway turned wrong(in order to cover Harry) and should have gone with Harry there because #24 seems to have played Smith/Inside field from the start



Agree. It appeared to me that Mac had decided to pass to Henry before he threw the ball, if Mac was throwing to the open receiver he would have passed to Harry.
 
Sorry, is Dugger out or in for Monday night?
I thought post #227 would be helpful, "Sports Illustrated" is a solid source.

If not, it seems there's no certainty either way, but there's serious doubt because he'd have to have two negative COVID tests 24 hours apart by Monday in order to play, and he just went on the list on Wednesday.

In summation: Not impossible, but also, not likely.

Stay tuned for future updates!
 
Thanks. Hard to find actual football talk in some of these threads....
All of these covid related threads are the same. The first couple of pages are mostly relevant, and then once the news dries up, they are 80%+ OT.

Looking at history alone, it is highly unlikely Dugger comes back for Monday now that we know he tested positive. The covid list tracker shows that most people return in about 10 days. Seems like less than 10% return within 5 days. So that means Dugger is at least 90% likely to be out Monday. On the plus side, we have the bye right afterwards, so he is very likely to be back for the Colts game.

 
Well we drafted Bledsoe and we just activated him off NFI so he damn well better be ready to play, eh? He should already be familiar with our system.
a rookie that has missed the entire season thus far including TC? If we need him to play in our biggest game of the season thus far after just 5 (three of which were walk thrus) days of practice, the we are in HUGE trouble.

No PP2, Bledsoe is a long way from seeing the field this season, if at all.
 
Thats an understatement. Dugger has been fantastic, while Slojuan has been a liability so far. I'm not sure playing a new position will help that.
Actually, JoeJuan Williams hasn't been a liability. You're listening to @captain stone and not actually watching the games..

QBs are just 10of 18 (55.6%) for 129 yards with5 PD and 1 TD allowed. On 234 defensive snaps with 145 of those him dropping into coverage.

 
All of these covid related threads are the same. The first couple of pages are mostly relevant, and then once the news dries up, they are 80%+ OT.

Looking at history alone, it is highly unlikely Dugger comes back for Monday now that we know he tested positive. The covid list tracker shows that most people return in about 10 days. Seems like less than 10% return within 5 days. So that means Dugger is at least 90% likely to be out Monday. On the plus side, we have the bye right afterwards, so he is very likely to be back for the Colts game.

Dugger got placed on the covid list on Wednesday for a "close contact". Which I take to mean someone in his immediate circle has tested positive. He needs 2 negative tests to play if he is vaccinated. That should be done by Saturday the latest. If both tests are negative, then he should clear on Sunday, or perhaps on Saturday.

Even if he's been home isolated, they still could have gotten him the game plan for this week, so he'll be familiar with it and be able to participate in Sunday's walk through. Hopefully we'll get word one way or the other tomorrow
 


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