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OK. Who would you consider out of the other 31 teams to be better coaches than Bill?
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OK. Who would you consider out of the other 31 teams to be better coaches than Bill?
I'm trying to get away from it being one way or the other and it's O.K. for people to say things, but like I just asked @captain stone , it would just be nice to also include more on that take so we can debate it. Doesn't mean I'm mad at him, but at the same time, it's not productive to just bash the guy without any substance to along with it. Otherwise, we end up with threads where people just argue and no points are ever included.
I agree bashing Bill for the sake of bashing Bill doesn't do anyone any good. My thing is when people act like Bill is infallible and anyone who questions any decisions he makes is a bad fan or "should go root for the Bucs, Jets....".
This. I mean we all had to know when Brady and Bill split. One of them was going to get the media terror. If Brady went to Tampa and went 7-9 and had bad stats and struggled and the pats went 12-4 and won a couple playoff games with Cam. The media would have disowned Brady in the goat conversation. He would have been dragged through the mud like no other. Rob parker, Max Kellerman, Sharp would all have their own show called why Brady is a product of Belichick that would air 10 times a day. Montana would say he told you so. Jules woudl turn on him and say, wow I guess it was true. His wife leaves him and takes the kids, etc etc.
I think the difference is the guy isn't perfect, but he's generally been right more than he hasn't. Like I said to @captain stone , I'd love to hear who he feels would be better. I've tried to think about it and I haven't actually been able to think of a name yet.
yeah and it was still 7-9 after 10 years of building.....until brady came over. Then everything changed.
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I have no problem with Bill at all, never did. Yeah I have seen some weird player drafts, and questioned a player he has went and got, and he does pay way more attention to the defense, but thats his type of coaching. I think he is a great game planner, I think he is the best Defense coach ever without question. I think he needs to have a major presence at QB to handle that side. As far as GM. I mean its really just like anything else, if you like him you are going to point to GM wins, and if you dont you will point out the bad pickups and drafts.
Recently he has not been more right than wrong. Would you agree with that? Asking for a list of who is 'better' is a trap question because no matter what he produces you will have answers for it. You can't judge up and coming coaches and how they will perform because they haven't been given the opportunity yet. I always use Marvin Lewis as an example. He made the playoffs for a gazillion years in a row and won double digit wins with Andy Dalton. If BB did that he would be praised for it. Lewis doesn't have a job.
The safety, I mean honestly unless the defense stops them and the offense marches 80 yards for a td, its forgotten as far as great calls.
I would say personnel-wise, you have an argument. But on field, I would have to say he's not perfect, but his overall body of work and even most of this season, he's still been fairly solid, at least as a coach. Their pitfalls right now have been untimely turnovers or plays they haven't made. The hard part now is trying to correct that, which has been a challenge.
LOL, I'm curious to see what @captain stone thinks. Again...I've been pondering some names to have the discussion and I've only come up with one who might be up there with him, and I don't even feel all that great about that one.
LaFleur is another good name. I actually think the problem there is obviously Rodgers, not the coach. He's done a good job. Reich is good but he's made a couple of questionable calls that cost them. I like Vrabel, but he overthinks things trying to be Belichick. I can't stand Payton. I'll give you McDermott - he's done a good job in Buffalo and so far seems to be getting better. I'm not sold on the other guys you mentioned, but this is a pretty good start
I think overall he has been right more often than not but lately that hasn't been the case and that's why I think it's fair to wonder if Bill has lost his fastball. The poor drafting over the last 5 or so years. Letting Brady walk with no backup plan. Playing Cam down the stretch in a lost season and never even getting a look at Stidham. A reluctance to adapt to a more speed based defense. I mean we lost our three best players (Brady, Thuney, and Gilmore) in the last two years and all we have to show for it is a 6th round pick.
I took what captain was saying that he believes a handful of coaches are coaching better right now, obviously not that they're better coaches.
